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Re: Brexit

Post by Golden Princess » 14 Apr 2019, 19:02

Sorry towny44, but I had to laugh at that!

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Post by towny44 » 14 Apr 2019, 22:29

Golden Princess wrote:
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Sorry towny44, but I had to laugh at that!
My pleasure GP but that's what we brexiteers do, we always try to bring pleasure to everyone, we are not selfish at all. ;)
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Re: Brexit

Post by Golden Princess » 14 Apr 2019, 22:41

And that made me smile!

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Re: Brexit

Post by Onelife » 15 Apr 2019, 18:58

I know it’s a bit early for “Cuckoo’s” but this old bird certainly sounds like one…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT1Yh32oeBw

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Re: Brexit

Post by Kendhni » 16 Apr 2019, 05:19

towny44 wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 18:08
That's typical of a lot of remainers, twisting every single thing to try and disparage everything about brexit and its supporters.
Since brexiteers take the truth and twist it into a land of unicorns and rainbows :crazy: , why would you be surprised that someone needs to twist it back into reality? :angel:


Although I am guessing the over defensive ad hominems are because you don't do satire well :think:

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Re: Brexit

Post by towny44 » 16 Apr 2019, 09:21

Kendhni wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 05:19
towny44 wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 18:08
That's typical of a lot of remainers, twisting every single thing to try and disparage everything about brexit and its supporters.
Since brexiteers take the truth and twist it into a land of unicorns and rainbows :crazy: , why would you be surprised that someone needs to twist it back into reality? :angel:


Although I am guessing the over defensive ad hominems are because you don't do satire well :think:
You must be correct, clearly I am too thick and immature to be able to cope with satire. :sarcasm:
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Re: Brexit

Post by Kendhni » 16 Apr 2019, 12:38

towny44 wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 09:21
Kendhni wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 05:19
towny44 wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 18:08
That's typical of a lot of remainers, twisting every single thing to try and disparage everything about brexit and its supporters.
Since brexiteers take the truth and twist it into a land of unicorns and rainbows :crazy: , why would you be surprised that someone needs to twist it back into reality? :angel:


Although I am guessing the over defensive ad hominems are because you don't do satire well :think:
You must be correct, clearly I am too thick and immature to be able to cope with satire. :sarcasm:
After the last time, I wouldn't dare disagree with you ;)

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Re: Brexit

Post by barney » 17 Apr 2019, 14:08

towny44 wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 09:21
Kendhni wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 05:19
towny44 wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 18:08
That's typical of a lot of remainers, twisting every single thing to try and disparage everything about brexit and its supporters.
Since brexiteers take the truth and twist it into a land of unicorns and rainbows :crazy: , why would you be surprised that someone needs to twist it back into reality? :angel:


Although I am guessing the over defensive ad hominems are because you don't do satire well :think:
You must be correct, clearly I am too thick and immature to be able to cope with satire. :sarcasm:
I must be a bit thick as well John, because I have been reading about the upcoming EU Parliament elections and according to what I've read, they are all going to win it !

The Liberals say that as the only anti Brexit party, the majority will vote for them
The Greens say that as the only anti Brexit party, the majority will vote for them
Change UK says that as the only anti Brexit party, the majority will vote for them
UKIP says that as the only REAL Brexit party, the majority will vote for them
The Brexit Party says that as the only REAL Brexit party, the majority will vote for them

Labour says, you show me the fence and I'll sit on it. Our leader is desperate to leave , but many don't really want to.
The Conservatives say nothing. They are just keeping their heads down.

So, we may end up with a tie between LibDems, Greens, Change UK, UKIP and ….. The Brexit Party.

Or … none of them :crazy:

Do you reckon that the country is split on this issue ? :lol:


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Post by anniec » 17 Apr 2019, 14:22

barney wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 14:08


The Liberals say that as the only anti Brexit party, the majority will vote for them
The Greens say that as the only anti Brexit party, the majority will vote for them
Change UK says that as the only anti Brexit party, the majority will vote for them
UKIP says that as the only REAL Brexit party, the majority will vote for them
The Brexit Party says that as the only REAL Brexit party, the majority will vote for them

Labour says, you show me the fence and I'll sit on it. Our leader is desperate to leave , but many don't really want to.
The Conservatives say nothing. They are just keeping their heads down.

So, we may end up with a tie between LibDems, Greens, Change UK, UKIP and ….. The Brexit Party.

Or … none of them :crazy:

Do you reckon that the country is split on this issue ? :lol:
I no longer believe polls; however, here, FWIW, is the latest on the EU election outcome:

Brexit Party 27%
Labour 22%
Conservative 15%
Lib Dem 9%
UKIP 7%
Change UK 6%
SNP 4%

YouGov Apr 16

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Re: Brexit

Post by david63 » 17 Apr 2019, 15:19

Is anyone really interested in the EU elections. I bet the vast majority do not know who their MEP is and if they do I doubt they know to which party they belong - unless it happens to be Mr Farage!


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Post by Ray Scully » 17 Apr 2019, 15:30

david63 wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 15:19
Is anyone really interested in the EU elections. I bet the vast majority do not know who their MEP is and if they do I doubt they know to which party they belong - unless it happens to be Mr Farage!
WE in Lancashire had the infamous Conservative Den Dover who had to pay back £500'000 of misappropriated expenses :thumbdown:

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Re: Brexit

Post by barney » 17 Apr 2019, 16:05

Ray Scully wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 15:30
david63 wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 15:19
Is anyone really interested in the EU elections. I bet the vast majority do not know who their MEP is and if they do I doubt they know to which party they belong - unless it happens to be Mr Farage!
WE in Lancashire had the infamous Conservative Den Dover who had to pay back £500'000 of misappropriated expenses :thumbdown:
I think I once saw his brother Ben Dover in a film. Can't think of the title but I believe he played a plumber :lol:

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Re: Brexit

Post by barney » 17 Apr 2019, 16:07

david63 wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 15:19
Is anyone really interested in the EU elections. I bet the vast majority do not know who their MEP is and if they do I doubt they know to which party they belong - unless it happens to be Mr Farage!
I've never voted in an EU election before David but will make the effort for this one. Have a guess where my cross will go. :relaxed:

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Re: Brexit

Post by Manoverboard » 17 Apr 2019, 16:09

Never heard of her … was the offence about getting single fares, rather than returns, between Brussels and Strasburg ? :shock:

ps … I will be getting my first time voting advice from Barney 8-)

pps … with hindsight Ben Dover does ring a bell :wtf:



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Re: Brexit

Post by anniec » 17 Apr 2019, 16:14

david63 wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 15:19
Is anyone really interested in the EU elections. I bet the vast majority do not know who their MEP is and if they do I doubt they know to which party they belong - unless it happens to be Mr Farage!
I am, in so far as the brexit side seem very much more organised than remain, who don't seem to have any sort of organised response ready to defeat Farage. And would a win by the Brexit Party in the EU elections remove any suggestion of another referendum/people's vote?
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Re: Brexit

Post by Quizzical Bob » 17 Apr 2019, 16:18

towny44 wrote:
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I am awaiting Bob's validation and if he can prove his figures, to my satisfaction, I will accept his data.
Hi Towny,

I hadn't forgotten but things have been a bit hectic lately.

We were discussing the net financial benefit or otherwise of our membership of the EU. We have a good idea as to what the direct costs are to HMG. In 2017 the net contribution was £8.9bn, which was a lot less than the infamous figure of '£350bn a week'. Within this amount are other sums which we would wtill pay somehow were we not in the EU. Some of our Foreign Aid is handled through the EU and comes out of our contributions. In 2016 the UK spent £13.6bn on foreign aid which represents our commitment of 0.7% of our Gross National Income.

I gave a figure of about £20bn benefit from our membership of the EU which arises from the government revenues on the extra economic activity that results from our full membership of the SIngle Market. Of course this figure is open to dispute and discussion and nobody has ever sat down and calculated an exact amount because, of course, we haven't left the Single Market yet. Leaving the EU is going to hit the economy and depending on the final trading arrangements the negative effects range from bad (EEA), to very bad (PTA) to disastrous (WTO).

So in short, we can never talk only about the financial contributions to the EU without also considering the financial benefits. How much weight you want to put on them depends on where you stand.

Have a look at this World Bank study, especially Table 6 on Page 19
http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/ ... PS7947.pdf

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/

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Re: Brexit

Post by barney » 25 Apr 2019, 10:37

There is a very interesting battle forming in the South West EU elections (should they happen)

Change UK have put up Rachel Johnson (sister of Boris)
Labour have put up Lord Adonis (staunch remainer and chum of Blair)
Brexit have put up Ann Widdecombe (ex Tory Cabinet Minister)
Tories yet to announce but probably the incumbent

Under the complex counting system, they could all be appointed as MEPs

That would be an interesting Eurostar to Brussels. I would love to be a fly on the wall on that one.


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Post by Ray Scully » 25 Apr 2019, 10:58

barney wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 10:37
There is a very interesting battle forming in the South West EU elections (should they happen)

Change UK have put up Rachel Johnson (sister of Boris)
Labour have put up Lord Adonis (staunch remainer and chum of Blair)
Brexit have put up Ann Widdecombe (ex Tory Cabinet Minister)
Tories yet to announce but probably the incumbent

Under the complex counting system, they could all be appointed as MEPs

That would be an interesting Eurostar to Brussels. I would love to be a fly on the wall on that one.
Barney, nor forgetting Snake Oil Farage
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Re: Brexit

Post by barney » 25 Apr 2019, 11:21

Yeah, I think he's standing in the South East, Ray.
He's a shoe in :D

I've been reading up about how the MEPs are allocated.
It's all quite interesting and gives a good proportion according to votes cast.

On the surface, it appears better than first past the post, the downside obviously being that it can allow extreme anti democratic parties like Change UK and the LibDems disproportional influence. ;)

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Post by Jack Staff » 25 Apr 2019, 11:53

barney wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 11:21
Yeah, I think he's standing in the South East, Ray.
He's a shoe in :D
Unless there is a dolphin standing.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Jack Staff » 25 Apr 2019, 17:16

Anyone know who funds the Brexit party?
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Re: Brexit

Post by barney » 25 Apr 2019, 17:24

:D Me. I sent them £100 even though I'm a lefty. 60,000 donations so far, total about £750k.

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Post by Jack Staff » 25 Apr 2019, 17:34

Bit of a cheap scape there Barney. I hear most donations are £499. Funny the limit on impermissible sources is £500.
Also funny that they all seem to be coming through PayPal, making them untraceable.
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Re: Brexit

Post by barney » 25 Apr 2019, 17:52

Maybe millions just support his cause. We'll find out if the election takes place won't we.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Jack Staff » 25 Apr 2019, 17:54

What do you think of his manifesto?
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Post by david63 » 25 Apr 2019, 18:41

Jack Staff wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 17:34
Also funny that they all seem to be coming through PayPal, making them untraceable.
Anything through PayPal is highly traceable

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Post by Jack Staff » 25 Apr 2019, 19:03

david63 wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 18:41
Jack Staff wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 17:34
Also funny that they all seem to be coming through PayPal, making them untraceable.
Anything through PayPal is highly traceable
Not for the Electoral Commission.
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Post by barney » 25 Apr 2019, 19:18

Jack Staff wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 17:54
What do you think of his manifesto?
They have no manifesto Jack, but then you know that don't you. They are a single issue group. Have a guess what the issue is. Clue is in the name :thumbup:

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Post by Jack Staff » 25 Apr 2019, 19:30

barney wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 19:18
Jack Staff wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 17:54
What do you think of his manifesto?
They have no manifesto Jack, but then you know that don't you. They are a single issue group. Have a guess what the issue is. Clue is in the name :thumbup:
Tell me Barney, is that the Norway option that he was promoting in 2016 (that he now says is a betrayal) or the Trezza/Keefy option, or a jobs first Brexit, which Brexit are we talking about?
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Post by Ray Scully » 25 Apr 2019, 19:44

Jack Staff wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 19:30
barney wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 19:18
Jack Staff wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 17:54
What do you think of his manifesto?
They have no manifesto Jack, but then you know that don't you. They are a single issue group. Have a guess what the issue is. Clue is in the name :thumbup:


Really ! its all about Nigel's ego, why else would he have secured the services of Ms Widecombe other than to coach him for his appearance on Strictly

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Re: Brexit

Post by Jack Staff » 25 Apr 2019, 20:05

Ray Scully wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 19:44
Really ! its all about Nigel's ego, why else would he have secured the services of Ms Widecombe other than to coach him for his appearance on Strictly
Ann Widdecombe and George Galloway, the Brexit 'dream team' :lol:
What other 'reality' TV 'stars' are going to jump on this bandwagon.
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Re: Brexit

Post by barney » 25 Apr 2019, 20:25

Rachel Johnson ?

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barney wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 20:25
Rachel Johnson ?
Who?
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Post by barney » 25 Apr 2019, 20:56

Jack Staff wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 20:30
barney wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 20:25
Rachel Johnson ?
Who?
Ex editor of The Lady. Ex Mail columnist. Sister of Boris. Regular on The Pledge. Ex celeb big brother. Ex libdems member now standing for Change UK. I actually have the hots for her. :crazy:

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Re: Brexit

Post by Jack Staff » 25 Apr 2019, 21:07

So someone who will do anything to get attention? Bit like her brother.
Fortunately for you there are some differences! :lol:
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Tim Walker:
One Tory MP to me: ‘We have no provision for an ageing population and Brexit is a device to help people accept that they’ll be left to die.’
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Re: Brexit

Post by david63 » 26 Apr 2019, 07:20

Jack Staff wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 19:03
david63 wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 18:41
Jack Staff wrote:
25 Apr 2019, 17:34
Also funny that they all seem to be coming through PayPal, making them untraceable.
Anything through PayPal is highly traceable
Not for the Electoral Commission.
You never mentioned anything about the Electoral Commission but made a general statement that is untrue.

Please stop continually twisting everything that others say to suit your version of the facts it is getting tiresome and is starting to look like "Trolling"

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Post by barney » 26 Apr 2019, 09:04

Don't take it personally David. I like the verbal jousts with Jack and the way he rewrites history to suit his arguments. We'll miss him when it's all over...... Or I die, whichever is sooner :lol: quite perversely, he questions small donations via ordinary folk while his side happily accept hundreds of thousands from a foreign billionaire with no legal skin in the game.
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Post by Manoverboard » 26 Apr 2019, 09:19

barney wrote:
26 Apr 2019, 09:04
Don't take it personally David. I like the verbal jousts with Jack and the way he rewrites history to suit his arguments. We'll miss him when it's all over...... Or I die, whichever is sooner :lol: quite perversely, he questions small donations via ordinary folk while his side happily accept hundreds of thousands from a foreign billionaire with no legal skin in the game.
If you say so … :lol:

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Post by barney » 26 Apr 2019, 09:42

Of course we will. Jack is the Cruise Community Forum version of Farage. He/she is a one issue commentator. I can't remember him/her discussing much about cruising. :think:

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Post by david63 » 26 Apr 2019, 10:48

barney wrote:
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I can't remember him/her discussing much about cruising. :think:
That is because he doesn't - although he does maintain that he cruises frequently, but we have yet to see any evidence of that!
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Post by Jack Staff » 26 Apr 2019, 11:10

david63 wrote:
26 Apr 2019, 10:48
barney wrote:
26 Apr 2019, 09:42
I can't remember him/her discussing much about cruising. :think:
That is because he doesn't - although he does maintain that he cruises frequently, but we have yet to see any evidence of that!
You haven't looked...
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But hey ho, just because I don't report every voyage I go on.
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Post by david63 » 26 Apr 2019, 11:26

Jack Staff wrote:
26 Apr 2019, 11:10
You haven't looked..
Oh but I have and I don't think that three posts relating to cruising out of over 1,600 exonerates you.
Jack Staff wrote:
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just because I don't report every voyage I go on
Just in case you have missed something along the way this is, essentially, a cruise bases board where most of us are actually interested in other member's cruise experiences. Also with such a vast cruising experience I would have thought that by now you would have offered some help and advice to other members on cruise related topics.

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Post by Kenmo1 » 27 Apr 2019, 21:21

david63 wrote:
26 Apr 2019, 11:26
Just in case you have missed something along the way this is, essentially, a cruise bases board where most of us are actually interested in other member's cruise experiences. Also with such a vast cruising experience I would have thought that by now you would have offered some help and advice to other members on cruise related topics.

Thank you. David, for that response. I was seriously starting to think about leaving this cruising forum and looking elsewhere for advice and reviews. I happily accept that we need other subjects to help keep people interested in the forum but Brexit seemed to dominate everything for a while and I feel that it was starting to drive some of the regular cruisers onto other sites.

Hopefully, with the main cruising period starting we will see more cruise reviews and news and less Brexit, Brexit, Brexit.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Quizzical Bob » 03 May 2019, 14:22

david63 wrote:
26 Apr 2019, 11:26
Just in case you have missed something along the way this is, essentially, a cruise bases board where most of us are actually interested in other member's cruise experiences. Also with such a vast cruising experience I would have thought that by now you would have offered some help and advice to other members on cruise related topics.
This may seem a bit obvious David but...

What would you expect from a topic entitled 'Brexit'? :?

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Re: Brexit

Post by Manoverboard » 03 May 2019, 14:44

We got our Poll Cards today re the Euro MEP Elections … really looking forward to identifying the ' ideal ' candidate :angel:


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Post by CaroleF » 03 May 2019, 16:45

As David says unless people are away on a cruise during the beginning of the year Brexit has seemed to dominate a lot of people's lives and conversations during the last few months (years!). Hopefully with the better weather more of us will be cruising and have tales to tell. We go, hopefully, two weeks on Sunday. I say 'hopefully' as John has developed a very nasty ear problem. Been to the GP once, told it was a blockage and given a steroid spray to use which did nothing. Then as he couldn't get another appointment for three weeks he completed an e-consult form which our Surgery uses. I've always found it very useful but the result of his was that a GP- not from our practice - sent him a text which directed him to a website via Google - very helpful!
Eventually after a lot of nagging from me to make a private appointment with an ENT Consultant our elder daughter took matters into her own hands. She happened to meet up with our female GP who is wonderful, told her about John's ears - by this time they were not exactly painful but very uncomfortable and his hearing had deteriorated to the extent that his hearing was minimal. She raised her eyebrows at the text and said, 'Ridiculous' and said she'd write a referral letter to an ENT Consultant at our fairly local Spire Hospital - where I had my knee replacement done. She did this and John now has an appointment to see the Consultant next Thursday. I know he can't wait, neither can I. The volume he puts the radio at practically hurts my ears! I know he's finding it very frustrating, and embarrassing to have to explain to people that he can't hear them. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed that something can be done to at least make things easier before we go on Arcadia, two weeks on Sunday.


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Post by Ray Scully » 03 May 2019, 16:47

Kenmo1 wrote:
27 Apr 2019, 21:21
david63 wrote:
26 Apr 2019, 11:26
Just in case you have missed something along the way this is, essentially, a cruise bases board where most of us are actually interested in other member's cruise experiences. Also with such a vast cruising experience I would have thought that by now you would have offered some help and advice to other members on cruise related topics.

Thank you. David, for that response. I was seriously starting to think about leaving this cruising forum and looking elsewhere for advice and reviews. I happily accept that we need other subjects to help keep people interested in the forum but Brexit seemed to dominate everything for a while and I feel that it was starting to drive some of the regular cruisers onto other sites.

Hopefully, with the main cruising period starting we will see more cruise reviews and news and less Brexit, Brexit, Brexit.

Maureen
Why not a Brexit themed cruise, possibly Jacob Rees Smug and the Essex bruiser Mark(up yours) Francois amongst the 'speakers' and could we have Nige setting up a stall in the atrium selling his snake oil :thumbup: :angel:

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Re: Brexit

Post by Kenmo1 » 03 May 2019, 18:16

Ray Scully wrote:
03 May 2019, 16:47
Why not a Brexit themed cruise, possibly Jacob Rees Smug and the Essex bruiser Mark(up yours) Francois amongst the 'speakers' and could we have Nige setting up a stall in the atrium selling his snake oil

No, no, no, no, no - don't even joke about it, Ray :shock: :shock:

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Re: Brexit

Post by Kenmo1 » 03 May 2019, 18:20

CaroleF wrote:
03 May 2019, 16:45
We go, hopefully, two weeks on Sunday.
Fingers and toes crossed for you Carole. Hope John will be ok for the cruise.

Have a great time

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