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Post by Midlandslass » 30 Apr 2019, 09:48

I've enjoyed reading your reasons for choosing a cruise and realised that no-one mentioned whether the dress code affected their choice.
Many of you are P&O regulars so will probably subscribe to the continuance of Formal evenings, but maybe some who have experienced other lines might prefer the Smart casual approach.
When I first started cruising I loved the opportunity to dress up, but now whilst I comply with the dress code I enjoy the more easy going attitude to dress on lines like Oceania. That is not to say that I don't dress smartly.
However, wherever the bar is set there always seem to be some people who want to challenge the requested dress code.
Do you think relaxing dress codes is the thin end of the wedge or would you welcome a less constricted attitude as long as it was 'policed' by the maitre d'?

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Post by GillD46 » 30 Apr 2019, 12:36

We enjoy the formality of Cunard, but having said that when travelling with less formal cruise lines, we are happy to dress still smartly but less formally.

We just comply with the requested dress code and never think to question it, much less challenge it. We have a long voyage on QM2 in 2021 and I know some evenings we will “stay in” and watch a DVD, so will be very happy to dress up on the other evenings.
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Post by Manoverboard » 30 Apr 2019, 12:54

The formality of cruising was well received initially and especially so for us because it would coincide with posh nosh, and even a sumptuous ' Gala Dinner ' from time to time. At some point we noticed that P&O were offering us Spag Bol on a Formal night and there is No Way Hose that we intend to dress up for Spag Bol :lol:

We tried other Lines almost from the outset and realised that ' Elegant Casual ' was, or could be, as smart and certainly far more expensive than vin ordinaire M&S Formalwear. Interestingly the more expensive the Cruise Line the less formality is required. :thumbup:

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Post by Onelife » 30 Apr 2019, 14:07

Hi Midlandlass

Yes l think it is the thin end of the wedge and in the not too distant future we will start reading posts about how dress codes have fallen. It only takes a couple of scruffy "up yours l'll wear what l like merchants" to bring down the whole ambience of what is supposed to be a special (formal) occasion .

I don't know this for a fact but l presume most of us who enjoyed our first few cruises also enjoyed dressing for formal evenings? I personally think formal evenings should be strictly aderehed too....and all the scruffy sods who wish to flaunt this should make their way to the self service restaurants via a designated route that avoids me not having to see them. :thumbup: :)

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Post by barney » 30 Apr 2019, 15:14

We like them. It's part of the holiday for us. These are the few occasions that Mrs B wears her very best bling. The same for me. There are few occasions where I get to wear cufflinks and my best watch.

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Post by Kenmo1 » 30 Apr 2019, 15:24

Usually we enjoy them and always do the posh frock and dress suit but this time there were 5 in 18 days and we considered going up to the buffet for the last one. We didn't but it was seriously tempting. I think we were quite tired from street pounding and tower climbing etc in the previous few days.

It is only on a cruise that my decent dresses get to see daylight.
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would you welcome a less constricted attitude as long as it was 'policed' by the maitre d'?
Where does the maitre d draw the line. What one considers smart, another might not consider it so.

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Post by gilly88 » 30 Apr 2019, 15:28

how casual is casual? I have had a person walk into the main dining room in front of me wearing shorts , a rain mac and socks and sandals. admittedly it was a first night, the maître d's face was a picture . :o :o still let him in though.
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Post by towny44 » 30 Apr 2019, 15:36

Manoverboard wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 12:54
The formality of cruising was well received initially and especially so for us because it would coincide with posh nosh, and even a sumptuous ' Gala Dinner ' from time to time. At some point we noticed that P&O were offering us Spag Bol on a Formal night and there is No Way Hose that we intend to dress up for Spag Bol :lol:

We tried other Lines almost from the outset and realised that ' Elegant Casual ' was, or could be, as smart and certainly far more expensive than vin ordinaire M&S Formalwear. Interestingly the more expensive the Cruise Line the less formality is required. :thumbup:
Although My comment will be viewed as "classist", I assume that those passengers paying to cruise on a more expensive cruise line are very unlikely to want to enter the dining room in unsuitable attire, but P&O cruisers maybe need the rules spelling out more clearly?
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Post by Manoverboard » 30 Apr 2019, 15:38

gilly88 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 15:28
how casual is casual? I have had a person walk into the main dining room in front of me wearing shorts , a rain mac and socks and sandals. admittedly it was a first night, the maître d's face was a picture . :o :o still let him in though.
Was he a flasher … ie the ship's photographer :angel:

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Post by Stephen » 30 Apr 2019, 15:44

Manoverboard wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 15:38
gilly88 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 15:28
how casual is casual? I have had a person walk into the main dining room in front of me wearing shorts , a rain mac and socks and sandals. admittedly it was a first night, the maître d's face was a picture . :o :o still let him in though.
Was he a flasher … ie the ship's photographer :angel:
I thought that was Onelife's job......sorry, my mistake, his speciality is sheep :D

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Post by Stephen » 30 Apr 2019, 15:46

Onelife wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 14:07
Hi Midlandlass

Yes l think it is the thin end of the wedge and in the not too distant future we will start reading posts about how dress codes have fallen. It only takes a couple of scruffy "up yours l'll wear what l like merchants" to bring down the whole ambience of what is supposed to be a special (formal) occasion .

I don't know this for a fact but l presume most of us who enjoyed our first few cruises also enjoyed dressing for formal evenings? I personally think formal evenings should be strictly aderehed too....and all the scruffy sods who wish to flaunt this should make their way to the self service restaurants via a designated route that avoids me not having to see them. :thumbup: :)
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Post by Manoverboard » 30 Apr 2019, 15:47

towny44 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 15:36
Manoverboard wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 12:54
The formality of cruising was well received initially and especially so for us because it would coincide with posh nosh, and even a sumptuous ' Gala Dinner ' from time to time. At some point we noticed that P&O were offering us Spag Bol on a Formal night and there is No Way Hose that we intend to dress up for Spag Bol :lol:

We tried other Lines almost from the outset and realised that ' Elegant Casual ' was, or could be, as smart and certainly far more expensive than vin ordinaire M&S Formalwear. Interestingly the more expensive the Cruise Line the less formality is required. :thumbup:
Although My comment will be viewed as "classist", I assume that those passengers paying to cruise on a more expensive cruise line are very unlikely to want to enter the dining room in unsuitable attire, but P&O cruisers maybe need the rules spelling out more clearly?
Not by me it won't :wave:

It may also be the case that those who are able to purchase cruises on the more expensive Lines do not worry about making impressions on their fellow cruisers and would happily dress up as they would if going to a fine dining restaurant on land. P&O does a grand job but deffo does not provide fine dining.


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Post by CaroleF » 30 Apr 2019, 16:01

We enjoy the formal evenings and would be very sad if P&O were to drop them. There are not too many occasions when people dress formally these days. Although as a former teacher it always interested me to see how keen our 6th Formers were to dress formally - girls in long dresses, boys in DJs - for their Prom evenings. The dress code was their idea, not the staff. Even the boys seemed to enjoy dressing up.

What does annoy me is that if a cruise line has a clearly stated dress code then some people seem to take delight in not abiding by it. I know you get the 'It's my holiday, I'll dress as I like' so why choose a cruise line that has a stated dress code? I don't choose a cruise line where people can dress as they like on every evening so why do some choose P&O that has a stated code? Mind you, I think there are some people who book a cruise without even knowing whether the ship has a dress code, formal evenings etc. I have read numerous queries on websites where people have said. 'I've booked a cruise on P&O, is there a dress code? Why book a cruise without knowing all about the cruise line? I don't understand it.


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Post by Whynd1 » 30 Apr 2019, 16:04

I do like to see the dress code enforced in the bars, if its says formal evening and it's formal dress then that's what it should be. I feel uncomfortable sitting there in my formal togs when a fellow passenger insists he has the right to sit there in his shorts or hoodie.

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Post by gilly88 » 30 Apr 2019, 16:19

Manoverboard wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 15:38
gilly88 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 15:28
how casual is casual? I have had a person walk into the main dining room in front of me wearing shorts , a rain mac and socks and sandals. admittedly it was a first night, the maître d's face was a picture . :o :o still let him in though.
Was he a flasher … ie the ship's photographer :angel:
no bless him, he was an older gent I think he had just endured a long coach trip and couldn't be ar***d to get changed :lol: :lol: never saw him again in the 12 nights on board.
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Post by Stephen » 30 Apr 2019, 17:03

gilly88 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 16:19
Manoverboard wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 15:38
gilly88 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 15:28
how casual is casual? I have had a person walk into the main dining room in front of me wearing shorts , a rain mac and socks and sandals. admittedly it was a first night, the maître d's face was a picture . :o :o still let him in though.
Was he a flasher … ie the ship's photographer :angel:
no bless him, he was an older gent I think he had just endured a long coach trip and couldn't be ar***d to get changed :lol: :lol: never saw him again in the 12 nights on board.

Probably croaked it :silent: ;)

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Post by allatc » 30 Apr 2019, 17:11

I think that perhaps over time formal nights in the main dining rooms will be dropped with the option to have a more formal dining experience in the select dining rooms whenever you choose.
We have a two day cruise coming up and it irks me that I have to take the DJ for one of two nights.


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Post by Ranchi » 30 Apr 2019, 17:14

Personally, I find smart casual a bit of a challenge; will that shirt go with those trousers etc? Never happier (dress wise) than on formal night; jacket-black, trousers-black, bow tie- black, shirt- white piqué, shoes- black. Big decision wing or normal?
Didn’t used to mind the informal dress code either; suit, blue/white or cream shirt and then choose from a small selection of ties.
I don’t have any problem with passengers opting to wear whatever they like as long as they are happy to abide by the dress code for certain venues. Having said that, it did seem somewhat incongruous to see someone in tee-shirt, shorts & what would be called things in Australia walking down the main drag at about 9:30 pm on Britannia last week - it was not a swelteringly hot night either.


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Post by Midlandslass » 30 Apr 2019, 17:24

Manoverboard wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 12:54
The formality of cruising was well received initially and especially so for us because it would coincide with posh nosh, and even a sumptuous ' Gala Dinner ' from time to time. At some point we noticed that P&O were offering us Spag Bol on a Formal night and there is No Way Hose that we intend to dress up for Spag Bol :lol:

We tried other Lines almost from the outset and realised that ' Elegant Casual ' was, or could be, as smart and certainly far more expensive than vin ordinaire M&S Formalwear. Interestingly the more expensive the Cruise Line the less formality is required. :thumbup:
Yes I know what you mean, you wouldn’t get dressed up for a burger at McDonalds would you?
Cunard often have 2 formals a week, and the menu doesn’t always support the formal designation, maybe if they just had 1 a week but made it really special.


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Post by Midlandslass » 30 Apr 2019, 17:33

Ranchi wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 17:14
Personally, I find smart casual a bit of a challenge; will that shirt go with those trousers etc? Never happier (dress wise) than on formal night; jacket-black, trousers-black, bow tie- black, shirt- white piqué, shoes- black. Big decision wing or normal?
Didn’t used to mind the informal dress code either; suit, blue/white or cream shirt and then choose from a small selection of ties.
I don’t have any problem with passengers opting to wear whatever they like as long as they are happy to abide by the dress code for certain venues. Having said that, it did seem somewhat incongruous to see someone in tee-shirt, shorts & what would be called things in Australia walking down the main drag at about 9:30 pm on Britannia last week - it was not a swelteringly hot night either.
It’s often the case on Cunard that passengers will abide by the dress code in the dining room and then rush back to their cabins to change into shorts, t-shirts and baseball caps (worn backwards of course) to go to the production show.

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Post by GillD46 » 30 Apr 2019, 18:02

Midlandslass wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 17:33
Ranchi wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 17:14
Personally, I find smart casual a bit of a challenge; will that shirt go with those trousers etc? Never happier (dress wise) than on formal night; jacket-black, trousers-black, bow tie- black, shirt- white piqué, shoes- black. Big decision wing or normal?
Didn’t used to mind the informal dress code either; suit, blue/white or cream shirt and then choose from a small selection of ties.
I don’t have any problem with passengers opting to wear whatever they like as long as they are happy to abide by the dress code for certain venues. Having said that, it did seem somewhat incongruous to see someone in tee-shirt, shorts & what would be called things in Australia walking down the main drag at about 9:30 pm on Britannia last week - it was not a swelteringly hot night either.
It’s often the case on Cunard that passengers will abide by the dress code in the dining room and then rush back to their cabins to change into shorts, t-shirts and baseball caps (worn backwards of course) to go to the production show.
Goodness, I’ve not seen that more than once or twice in 20+ Cunard trips.
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Post by anniec » 30 Apr 2019, 18:07

GillD46 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 18:02
Midlandslass wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 17:33
Ranchi wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 17:14
Personally, I find smart casual a bit of a challenge; will that shirt go with those trousers etc? Never happier (dress wise) than on formal night; jacket-black, trousers-black, bow tie- black, shirt- white piqué, shoes- black. Big decision wing or normal?
Didn’t used to mind the informal dress code either; suit, blue/white or cream shirt and then choose from a small selection of ties.
I don’t have any problem with passengers opting to wear whatever they like as long as they are happy to abide by the dress code for certain venues. Having said that, it did seem somewhat incongruous to see someone in tee-shirt, shorts & what would be called things in Australia walking down the main drag at about 9:30 pm on Britannia last week - it was not a swelteringly hot night either.
It’s often the case on Cunard that passengers will abide by the dress code in the dining room and then rush back to their cabins to change into shorts, t-shirts and baseball caps (worn backwards of course) to go to the production show.
Goodness, I’ve not seen that more than once or twice in 20+ Cunard trips.
Neither have I in roughly the same number of Cunard cruises.

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Post by Manoverboard » 30 Apr 2019, 18:07

gilly88 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 16:19
Manoverboard wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 15:38
gilly88 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 15:28
how casual is casual? I have had a person walk into the main dining room in front of me wearing shorts , a rain mac and socks and sandals. admittedly it was a first night, the maître d's face was a picture . :o :o still let him in though.
Was he a flasher … ie the ship's photographer :angel:
no bless him, he was an older gent I think he had just endured a long coach trip and couldn't be ar***d to get changed :lol: :lol: never saw him again in the 12 nights on board.
Funny thing is that many years ago we had a similar experience to yours … everybody was slagging him off but it transpired that the airline had lost all his luggage so he had no other choices :lol:

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Post by Stephen » 30 Apr 2019, 18:09

GillD46 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 18:02
Midlandslass wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 17:33
Ranchi wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 17:14
Personally, I find smart casual a bit of a challenge; will that shirt go with those trousers etc? Never happier (dress wise) than on formal night; jacket-black, trousers-black, bow tie- black, shirt- white piqué, shoes- black. Big decision wing or normal?
Didn’t used to mind the informal dress code either; suit, blue/white or cream shirt and then choose from a small selection of ties.
I don’t have any problem with passengers opting to wear whatever they like as long as they are happy to abide by the dress code for certain venues. Having said that, it did seem somewhat incongruous to see someone in tee-shirt, shorts & what would be called things in Australia walking down the main drag at about 9:30 pm on Britannia last week - it was not a swelteringly hot night either.
It’s often the case on Cunard that passengers will abide by the dress code in the dining room and then rush back to their cabins to change into shorts, t-shirts and baseball caps (worn backwards of course) to go to the production show.
Goodness, I’ve not seen that more than once or twice in 20+ Cunard trips.

They should be removed and locked in they're cabins until after midnight.

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Post by Manoverboard » 30 Apr 2019, 18:16

It can be the case that Dress Codes are ' required ' in many of the ship's areas but that the Theatre is NOT one of them.

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Post by Mervyn and Trish » 30 Apr 2019, 18:21

We enjoy a couple of formal nights each week which is one reason we usually choose lines that offer them. If we wished to be less formal tgere are other lines which suit. What annoys me is people choosing a formal
line them moaning about it.


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Post by Midlandslass » 30 Apr 2019, 18:32

GillD46 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 18:02
Midlandslass wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 17:33
Ranchi wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 17:14
Personally, I find smart casual a bit of a challenge; will that shirt go with those trousers etc? Never happier (dress wise) than on formal night; jacket-black, trousers-black, bow tie- black, shirt- white piqué, shoes- black. Big decision wing or normal?
Didn’t used to mind the informal dress code either; suit, blue/white or cream shirt and then choose from a small selection of ties.
I don’t have any problem with passengers opting to wear whatever they like as long as they are happy to abide by the dress code for certain venues. Having said that, it did seem somewhat incongruous to see someone in tee-shirt, shorts & what would be called things in Australia walking down the main drag at about 9:30 pm on Britannia last week - it was not a swelteringly hot night either.
It’s often the case on Cunard that passengers will abide by the dress code in the dining room and then rush back to their cabins to change into shorts, t-shirts and baseball caps (worn backwards of course) to go to the production show.
Goodness, I’ve not seen that more than once or twice in 20+ Cunard trips.
Sadly I have, not all necessarily with the baseball caps - those are probably the exception, but certainly the quick change crew, unless they ate in the buffet.
I've never actually followed anyone to their cabin and watched them emerge in less than formal clothes :lol:
Generally on the Med fly cruises or the Caribbean.
Don't know how many Cunard cruises but have been sat at Diamond level for quite a few years.

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Post by barney » 30 Apr 2019, 19:18

We stayed at a rather nice hotel in Malaga a couple of years back that had a dress code for dinner. This was clearly advertised. The amount of people who stood and argued with the restaurant manager was incredible. He was a tough cookie and wouldn't budge an inch.


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Post by Ray B » 30 Apr 2019, 20:01

Onelife wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 14:07
Hi Midlandlass

Yes l think it is the thin end of the wedge and in the not too distant future we will start reading posts about how dress codes have fallen. It only takes a couple of scruffy "up yours l'll wear what l like merchants" to bring down the whole ambience of what is supposed to be a special (formal) occasion .

I don't know this for a fact but l presume most of us who enjoyed our first few cruises also enjoyed dressing for formal evenings? I personally think formal evenings should be strictly aderehed too....and all the scruffy sods who wish to flaunt this should make their way to the self service restaurants via a designated route that avoids me not having to see them. :thumbup: :)
I could not agree with you more Onelife, nothing more I can add.
When we are out to dinner at good restaurants (not chains) I like to dress accordingly, shirt, tie smart trousers and jacket, so it goes without saying that we enjoy the formal evenings when cruising and long may it last.

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Post by barney » 30 Apr 2019, 21:21

It may be a generation thing Ray. We always make the effort if eating out while many youngsters seem happy to turn up in shorts and flip flops.

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Post by david63 » 30 Apr 2019, 21:45

I love the formal black tie nights (Mrs63 says I do!)

This is not a sexist comment but I find that some of the female passengers have a very "vivid imagination" as to what constitutes being formal and are able to get away with it. I have seen some women in what most would consider as a long beach dress on a formal night or in a jumper and skirt which would only just pass muster on a smart casual night. I have yet to see a female refused being served in a "black tie" bar but if a man was to enter in the equivalent then he would be asked to leave.

There is, to some extent, a degree of discrimination with the enforcement of dress codes.


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Post by Midlandslass » 30 Apr 2019, 22:55

david63 wrote:
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I love the formal black tie nights (Mrs63 says I do!)

This is not a sexist comment but I find that some of the female passengers have a very "vivid imagination" as to what constitutes being formal and are able to get away with it. I have seen some women in what most would consider as a long beach dress on a formal night or in a jumper and skirt which would only just pass muster on a smart casual night. I have yet to see a female refused being served in a "black tie" bar but if a man was to enter in the equivalent then he would be asked to leave.

There is, to some extent, a degree of discrimination with the enforcement of dress codes.
I think that’s spot on, not sexist at all.

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Post by Stephen » 01 May 2019, 07:09

Manoverboard wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 18:16
It can be the case that Dress Codes are ' required ' in many of the ship's areas but that the Theatre is NOT one of them.
Well it should be.

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Post by Stephen » 01 May 2019, 07:13

david63 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 21:45
I love the formal black tie nights (Mrs63 says I do!)

This is not a sexist comment but I find that some of the female passengers have a very "vivid imagination" as to what constitutes being formal and are able to get away with it. I have seen some women in what most would consider as a long beach dress on a formal night or in a jumper and skirt which would only just pass muster on a smart casual night. I have yet to see a female refused being served in a "black tie" bar but if a man was to enter in the equivalent then he would be asked to leave.

There is, to some extent, a degree of discrimination with the enforcement of dress codes.
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I agree David.

Mrs S and I have often said, 'how does she get away with calling that formal attire'. It's always the men that get pulled up about not being properly dressed, never the women.

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Post by GillD46 » 01 May 2019, 07:35

Midlandslass wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 18:32
GillD46 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 18:02
Midlandslass wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 17:33

It’s often the case on Cunard that passengers will abide by the dress code in the dining room and then rush back to their cabins to change into shorts, t-shirts and baseball caps (worn backwards of course) to go to the production show.
Goodness, I’ve not seen that more than once or twice in 20+ Cunard trips.
Sadly I have, not all necessarily with the baseball caps - those are probably the exception, but certainly the quick change crew, unless they ate in the buffet.
I've never actually followed anyone to their cabin and watched them emerge in less than formal clothes :lol:
Generally on the Med fly cruises or the Caribbean.
Don't know how many Cunard cruises but have been sat at Diamond level for quite a few years.
Midlandslass, I wasn’t disputing what you posted. We must have been more fortunate, though I did once see someone in the Queen’s Room wearing a football shirt.
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Re: Formal evenings

Post by Kendhni » 01 May 2019, 07:42

Guess I am different to most of you, if anything I 'tolerated' formal evenings. Been there done that!

Now we don't even bother packing formal gear but we do dress in smart casual (as defined by the cruise line) - I point blank refuse to wear ties these days under any circumstances (always hated them). I don't know why but over the years I have actually grown a serious distrust of anyone in a 3 piece suit and a certain level of caution towards anyone in a suit and tie - stupid, I know.

On formal nights we will either book one of the allowed select dining venues or go to the buffet restaurant (which is surprisingly busy with people in formal, smart casual, football and beach bum outfits). After dinner we head down to the show lounge/theatre/bars and enjoy the entertainment with everyone else - sadly the theatre seems to be full of waiters taking all the seats.

I print out the web page stating where formal gear is required, just in case I come across someone who is unaware - I have seen the odd sourpuss with a face on them that looks like they are sucking wasps dipped in mace as they look us up and down, but they never say anything. in fact the only comments we have heard, on multiple occasions, are 'you look much more comfortable than us' or 'Are you allowed to remove your formal gear?' (er, yes, it is not compulsory - and I show them my print out after which most seem to go back to the cabin to get changed, leaving us to look after their seats).

I don't complain if people want to dress up and I don't expect them to complain if I decide not to. Just follow the requirements, as laid out in your T&C and other guidance .... if someone does not like them then that is their problem not mine ... and I am on holiday ... so I don't care about their problems. :)
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Post by david63 » 01 May 2019, 08:23

Kendhni wrote:
01 May 2019, 07:42
Just follow the requirements, as laid out in your T&C and other guidance
And that is the crux of the issue - there are some (many) who want to rewrite those rules to suit [pun intended] their requirements.

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Re: Formal evenings

Post by Kenmo1 » 01 May 2019, 09:47

allatc wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 17:11
We have a two day cruise coming up and it irks me that I have to take the DJ for one of two nights.

It can be difficult for someone doing a short cruise for the first time to see if they like it. Why pay out for formal clothes if you are unlikely to get any further use from it if you decide cruising is not for you. That is no excuse though for not packing some smart clothes like black slacks and a nice blouse for a lady and a smart shirt, tie and jacket and trousers for a man. These can usually be used in ones everyday life. I love to see the young children all dressed up, even little lads in smart suits and they seem to enjoy all the attention they receive.


Like allatc, I would be irritated at having to pack formal gear just for 2 nights.

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Post by Mervyn and Trish » 01 May 2019, 10:20

Kenmo1 wrote:
01 May 2019, 09:47
It can be difficult for someone doing a short cruise for the first time to see if they like it. Why pay out for formal clothes if you are unlikely to get any further use from it if you decide cruising is not for you.
That kind of agrees with my point. If someone is cruising for the first time and doesn't like dressing up, then surely choose one of the informal lines which doesn't require it? Why choose to try something they know they're not going to like? Even if it's a 2-nighter, surely the point for the cruise company is to demonstrate a sample of their product. There'd surely be (even more) complaints if someone did a taster cruise where they could wear their shorts and t-shirt into the dining room and then found it was different when they committed to 14 night?

It's funny that you only ever seen this sort of discussion in a cruising context. Or have I missed it? Is there any other kind of holiday where people scan the brochure, choose something they don't like and then expect it to change to suit them?

BTW I have no problem whatsoever with those who don't like dressing up and are happy to use the less formal venues on those nights. It's the "I'll what I like, where I like and when I like, I've paid for my holiday and I don't care who I upset" brigade that annoy me. Because I pay for my holidays too with the expectation of a certain ambience, as advertised in the brochures, for a couple of nights a week.
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Post by david63 » 01 May 2019, 10:26

Mervyn and Trish wrote:
01 May 2019, 10:20
Is there any other kind of holiday where people scan the brochure, choose something they don't like and then expect it to change to suit them?
Nudist resort? :crazy: :crazy:
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Post by Mervyn and Trish » 01 May 2019, 10:27

david63 wrote:
01 May 2019, 10:26
Mervyn and Trish wrote:
01 May 2019, 10:20
Is there any other kind of holiday where people scan the brochure, choose something they don't like and then expect it to change to suit them?
Nudist resort? :crazy: :crazy:
So long as you wear a bow tie!

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Post by Stephen » 01 May 2019, 11:39

or a sporran

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Post by Kenmo1 » 01 May 2019, 11:52

Stephen wrote:
01 May 2019, 11:39
or a sporran[/quote



Spoilsport. :lol:

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Post by welshynurse » 01 May 2019, 12:20

We love the dressing up, mainly I suppose because nursing uniform is NOT glamorous! I probably dress up more on the casual nights than needed too, just because I can!
My daughter absolutely loved being able to dress like a 'princess' too, and she got so much attention on formal night..which she fully appreciated! I did find though that as she wore a pretty dress every night, I did hear coments of 'isnt it just a casual night?' Apparently you can't win either way!🙄


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Post by Honk honk » 01 May 2019, 15:26

Kendhni wrote:
01 May 2019, 07:42
Guess I am different to most of you, if anything I 'tolerated' formal evenings. Been there done that!

Now we don't even bother packing formal gear but we do dress in smart casual (as defined by the cruise line) - I point blank refuse to wear ties these days under any circumstances (always hated them). I don't know why but over the years I have actually grown a serious distrust of anyone in a 3 piece suit and a certain level of caution towards anyone in a suit and tie - stupid, I know.

On formal nights we will either book one of the allowed select dining venues or go to the buffet restaurant (which is surprisingly busy with people in formal, smart casual, football and beach bum outfits). After dinner we head down to the show lounge/theatre/bars and enjoy the entertainment with everyone else - sadly the theatre seems to be full of waiters taking all the seats.

I print out the web page stating where formal gear is required, just in case I come across someone who is unaware - I have seen the odd sourpuss with a face on them that looks like they are sucking wasps dipped in mace as they look us up and down, but they never say anything. in fact the only comments we have heard, on multiple occasions, are 'you look much more comfortable than us' or 'Are you allowed to remove your formal gear?' (er, yes, it is not compulsory - and I show them my print out after which most seem to go back to the cabin to get changed, leaving us to look after their seats).

I don't complain if people want to dress up and I don't expect them to complain if I decide not to. Just follow the requirements, as laid out in your T&C and other guidance .... if someone does not like them then that is their problem not mine ... and I am on holiday ... so I don't care about their problems. :)
In all the writings of formal V Not formal,This is one of the best posts i have ever witnessed. We too are like Kendhni.. We cruise how we want,but adhere to the rules and avoid the areas we are not allowed in on formal evenings.

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Post by barney » 01 May 2019, 15:33

Same here Welshynurse.

I probably dress to a higher standard than necessary but then, to be fair, I probably always have.

Even 'back in the day' when my friends went out in a Fred Perry, Levis and Airwairs, I was in a Ben Sherman, Tonic suit and highly polished brogues.

I like names and brands and like to look smart most of the time.

I wouldn't dream of going out in what I'd call, kick around the house clothes.

I remember going to dinner with some friends a few years back to what is quite a posh restaurant.
He turned up like he'd just left the garden.
It was amplified because his wife had clearly made a great effort.
He's a wealthy guy, so I know it's not a money issue, just that he couldn't be ars*ed

Each to their own, but I like the odd dress up night. :thumbup:

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Post by Happydays » 01 May 2019, 16:25

We enjoy the formal evenings as it's the only opportunity we seem to get now a days to dress in that style! One of the reasons we choose P&O is the dress code being adhered to by the majority, although on recent cruises last year we noticed a decline.
Our next cruise is with Princess in Australia and we're not going to take formal for that one, shall wear smart casual and use alternative dinning on the formal evenings. We found the Americans on our last Princess cruise did not "do" the formal dress but still used the dinning rooms/restaurant.


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Re: Formal evenings

Post by Midlandslass » 01 May 2019, 19:34

GillD46 wrote:
01 May 2019, 07:35
Midlandslass wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 18:32
GillD46 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 18:02


Goodness, I’ve not seen that more than once or twice in 20+ Cunard trips.
Sadly I have, not all necessarily with the baseball caps - those are probably the exception, but certainly the quick change crew, unless they ate in the buffet.
I've never actually followed anyone to their cabin and watched them emerge in less than formal clothes :lol:
Generally on the Med fly cruises or the Caribbean.
Don't know how many Cunard cruises but have been sat at Diamond level for quite a few years.
Midlandslass, I wasn’t disputing what you posted. We must have been more fortunate, though I did once see someone in the Queen’s Room wearing a football shirt.
It's OK I didn't think you were disputing :)
We tend to eat early, around 6:30 to 7pm and go to the early show, maybe you like to dine late?
Every cruise is different and the same cruise viewed thru different eyes can be perceived in different ways.

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Re: Formal evenings

Post by GillD46 » 01 May 2019, 20:44

We tend to go in about 7.15-7.30 and normally just about make the first show - if it’s something we want to see. Yes they’re all different.
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Re: Formal evenings

Post by gilly88 » 02 May 2019, 15:49

Manoverboard wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 18:07
gilly88 wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 16:19
Manoverboard wrote:
30 Apr 2019, 15:38

Was he a flasher … ie the ship's photographer :angel:
no bless him, he was an older gent I think he had just endured a long coach trip and couldn't be ar***d to get changed :lol: :lol: never saw him again in the 12 nights on board.
Funny thing is that many years ago we had a similar experience to yours … everybody was slagging him off but it transpired that the airline had lost all his luggage so he had no other choices :lol:

good point mob, but this was first night out of southhampton, hence the raincoat! lol
regards gilly.

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