Brexit

[Jack Staff]

Question Jack !
IF there was another vote and the result was the same, would you accept it?
It's just that when Anna Soubry was asked if May could bring back any deal that she could vote for in Parliament, she was honest and said No, there was nothing that she could agree with except staying in the EU.
That is from an alleged democrat.
So, what the 300,000 odd thousand people who are calling for another vote really mean is another vote as long as it goes their way.

How about a bit of Parliamentary democracy? It's worked for years.
We have a general election when it's due and you can legitimately vote for whatever party floats your boat.
That might work.
If what you think is correct, then the LibDems and Greens will walk it …………………………… and I will accept the result.

I'm very much with Soubry then! I do not understand your "alleged" democrat, if Labour wins the next election does she become Labour? Of course not.

Parliamentary democracy is good.
It did work. The 2017 election removed May's mandate from the Brexit vote.
True remainers mistakenly thought that the opposition would be an opposition, but that won't be repeated.

We could have a Lib Dem PM by Christmas! No, it won't be Vince, and (s)he will be leader of a coalition. In that case I would be very disappointed in you if you did accept the resultant end to Brexit, unless of course you had changed your mind. That's democracy.

[barney]

Question Jack !
IF there was another vote and the result was the same, would you accept it?
It's just that when Anna Soubry was asked if May could bring back any deal that she could vote for in Parliament, she was honest and said No, there was nothing that she could agree with except staying in the EU.
That is from an alleged democrat.
So, what the 300,000 odd thousand people who are calling for another vote really mean is another vote as long as it goes their way.

How about a bit of Parliamentary democracy? It's worked for years.
We have a general election when it's due and you can legitimately vote for whatever party floats your boat.
That might work.
If what you think is correct, then the LibDems and Greens will walk it …………………………… and I will accept the result.

I'm very much with Soubry then! I do not understand your "alleged" democrat, if Labour wins the next election does she become Labour? Of course not.

Parliamentary democracy is good.
It did work. The 2017 election removed May's mandate from the Brexit vote.
True remainers mistakenly thought that the opposition would be an opposition, but that won't be repeated.

We could have a Lib Dem PM by Christmas! No, it won't be Vince, and (s)he will be leader of a coalition. In that case I would be very disappointed in you if you did accept the resultant end to Brexit, unless of course you had changed your mind. That's democracy.

Very good Jack and absolute evidence that Care in the Community is working well.

[oldbluefox]

Not sure whether it's barney's response or Jack's idea that the Lib Dems will be in power by Christmas. Better than Stephen's Mornin; All!!!!

[barney]

Now I've stopped giggling, I'll give a serious reply
"True remainers mistakenly thought that the opposition would be an opposition, but that won't be repeated."

You clearly didn't read or comprehend the Labour Party manifesto beforehand, did you.
It very clearly said that the result was the result and they would work with it.
The leadership of the opposition are harder Brexiteers that May.
Always have been and probably always will be.
That is why so many Labour constituancies voted to leave.

When this mythical Leader rides in on his/her charging white steed to save the day for the remain camp, they can stand for power as any other poititician. If they can convince enought people to form a parliamentay majority (or even a minority government) the they deserve to be there.

[Jack Staff]

Not sure whether it's barney's response or Jack's idea that the Lib Dems will be in power by Christmas. Better than Stephen's Mornin; All!!!!

You haven't grasped hypothetical then?

[barney]

Hypothetically I can force my way into the England team for the next Euros.
Will I ?????
What do you reckon ?

[Onelife]

Might I suggest that with all this talk along the lines of being happy to go over the cliff edge and "Bring it on", etc. that with the majority of us on this site possibly being on the older side of society we are going to leave this mess for the next few years, 5 years, 10 years or as has been said 50 years to our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren to cope with. While in the meantime making life extremely hard for them in the process (less employment regulations, less support should they unfortunately become unemployed, or heaven forbid a financial burden, less freedoms, less NHS, less choice, ........ the list goes on and on,- not to mention things as negative equity, inflation, lack of pension, .......... but I am sure you are fully aware.)

Might I also suggest that as members of a cruising group, the majority of us are in a position to provide short term help to our families as some have already stated (or in the case above to the small village community or if there are NO food shortages then donate your stockpiled food to the food banks). But others are just a financial burden. This is not the way a great country, or 'world leader' should conduct itself.

Hi Princess,

 l am left in no doubt leaving the EU is the right thing for our country. The EU might give the impression of being a unified block of 27 countries but in truth it is far from being unified.  Many of the countries within the EU want out but unlike us they are not in a position to do so, mainly because they have given away there right to independence through fear of economic "catastrophe" ( l know where you will go with that one but remember we are the 5th richest country in the world) 
You fear for our children's future.....well spare a thought for the young  of several of the EU countries where youth unenployment runs at about 45% .....as for migration figures..... best we  not go there.

The truth is we are getting out before the EU implodes on itself....The EU has run its course, it has become far to big to manage effectively, it has entwined itself in far too many rules and regulations, it believes all countries should live by one rule book but fails to understand different countries have different needs, it gives the impression that decisions are made by the many but in reality the decisions are made by the few. 

In summary .....l don't  think the UK has ever felt part of the EU nor indeed treated as such.....yes there have been bennifits to being a member but we have paid a considerably price for it...not least in the amount of money we have handed over but also at a great cost to our countries identity...We/our government are constantly looking over our shoulders thinking we have broken some EU rule or upset a different culture because of such rules.


By leaving the EU  we are taking back control history will determine whether we made good use of it.


Regards


Keith


P.s l do agree with you about food parcels therfore have decided to have half priced days Mondays and Friday's....but only to those who are clearly showing signs of malnutrition


We've all got a do our bit for those in need.






















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[barney]

Meanwhile, while the EU pontificate over the Irish border, this is what they should really be concentrating on.
But then their heads are so far up their own backsides and are so involved in feathering their own nests that they cannot see the wolf at the door.
https://www.politico.eu/article/marine- ... nal-rally/

Le Pen now has about 33% of the French vote.
Can you imagine the NF or the EDL in the UK ever getting anywhere near that?
The far right is on the march and Juncker & Selmyr worries about things that they could easily sort out if they wished.

[johnds]

What then Jack

Best of three

“If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.” - David Davis, 19 November 2012

So best of Three ??
Yes/No

[Jack Staff]

What then Jack

Best of three

“If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.” - David Davis, 19 November 2012

So best of Three ??
Yes/No

1975
2016
2018/9

So yes.

[barney]

What then Jack

Best of three

“If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.” - David Davis, 19 November 2012

So best of Three ??
Yes/No

1975
2016
2018/9

So yes.

By that calculation, the next vote should be 2057, not 2018/19.
I'd rather gamble on a general election in 2022.

The bottom line is that their seems to be very little appetite to re-run the same old arguements amongst the general public.
There are a few zealots and the wierd ' stop brexit guy' who stands outside parliament every day ( I assume that's not you, Jack) but besides that, I've seen no indication of a serious uprising against the legitimate vote.
I've seen a lot of what if's and a lot of scare mongering, but the truth is that none of the scare tactics have been proven correct, from the biggest recession ever seen to the mass exodus of jobs.

I did like the Tory guy's response to Hammonds forecast for 2033 GDP this morning on Marr.
They cannot forecast one quarter in advance.
Remember Christine Legarde from the IMF?

All that's really happened so far is that the pound has dropped a bit but currency is volatile anyway and will eventually correct itself to whatever the Markets think it should be.
Anyone else remember one pound = 1.02 euro back in 2009 ?

[Jack Staff]

The bottom line is that their seems to be very little appetite to re-run the same old arguements amongst the general public.
There are a few zealots and the wierd ' stop brexit guy' who stands outside parliament every day ( I assume that's not you, Jack)

That is Stephen Bray.

but besides that, I've seen no indication of a serious uprising against the legitimate vote.
I've seen a lot of what if's and a lot of scare mongering, but the truth is that none of the scare tactics have been proven correct, from the biggest recession ever seen to the mass exodus of jobs.

Hmmm, proof we do not use the same news sources.

I did like the Tory guy's response to Hammonds forecast for 2033 GDP this morning on Marr.
They cannot forecast one quarter in advance.

You mean disgraced former defence minister Liam Fox.
"Liam Fox is an obnoxious, lying coward for saying a no-deal Brexit wouldn't be the government's fault"
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/br ... 16356.html
I'll be honest, I didn't read it, I just wanted to include the headline!

Dropped a bit!

[Stephen]

Brexit: May vows no compromise with EU on Brexit plan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45385421

Yeah, and did you read the whole article? That's saved me a lot of typing!

No, I'm on holiday. Just thought I'd add it into the mix

[Jack Staff]

Brexit: May vows no compromise with EU on Brexit plan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45385421

Yeah, and did you read the whole article? That's saved me a lot of typing!

No, I'm on holiday. Just thought I'd add it into the mix

You should, you are missing the other Tory guy on Marr (David Davis) saying...
"... he said he would vote against the Chequers plan in any Commons vote, adding that it would be "almost worse" than staying in the EU."

Brexit is so not going to happen!

[Stephen]

We'll see.

[Jack Staff]

Contrary to what you guys keep trying to tell me, there is growing demand for a peoples vote.

Of the many groups that have formed here is one that I've come across that might be of interest to some here,

http://conservatives4pv.uk/c4pv-a-new-c ... in-europe/

[Ray Scully]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxtDmmmJKJg


The Bexiteers Anthem

[barney]

Very good Ray

[oldbluefox]

An interesting development

[Stephen]

Lead and others will follow.

[oldbluefox]

Order more little blue flags.

[screwy]

Twas only a matter of time.

[oldbluefox]

Why is it if the EU is so good so many people across Europe want out of it? They can't all be racists, xenophobes, little Englanders, ignorant or whatever other insults may be laid at their door.

[Onelife]

Contrary to what you guys keep trying to tell me, there is growing demand for a peoples vote.

Of the many groups that have formed here is one that I've come across that might be of interest to some here,

http://conservatives4pv.uk/c4pv-a-new-c ... in-europe/

Hi Jack. you can get 2/1 with most bookies about there being a referendum rerun before April 2019.....l'll give you 3/1....
Please send your stake to the normal address...BTW. ..don't bother including a stamped addressed envelope you won't have anything to pick up.

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[Stephen]

Contrary to what you guys keep trying to tell me, there is growing demand for a peoples vote.

Of the many groups that have formed here is one that I've come across that might be of interest to some here,

http://conservatives4pv.uk/c4pv-a-new-c ... in-europe/

Hi Jack. you can get 2/1 with most bookies about there being a referendum rerun before April 2019.....l'll give you 3/1....
Please send your stake to the normal address...BTW. ..don't bother including a stamped addressed envelope you won't have anything to pick up.

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