Brexit

[oldbluefox]

The Irish PM seems confident a deal on the border can be struck.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45481024

[towny44]

The Irish PM seems confident a deal on the border can be struck.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45481024

I think the poor soul is going to be disappointed if he think TM is going to allow NI to stay in the single market.

[barney]

I don't know so much John.

May is currently reliant on the DUP to remain in power, but if they can convince enough Leave supporting labour MPs to vote with them, they will not need the DUP.

There are quite a few Labour MPs whos constituants voted over whelmingly to leave and are worried for their seats.
Corbyn's whips have no power in the PLP.
Like he ignored the whip all of his career, they are just doing the same back.
As we all know, Corbyn is only luke warm on the whole thing anyway.

As I said previously, there will no doubt be some confusingly worded fudge at the end of the day.
The stakes for both sides are too high.

[Ray Scully]

I don't know so much John.

May is currently reliant on the DUP to remain in power, but if they can convince enough Leave supporting labour MPs to vote with them, they will not need the DUP.

There are quite a few Labour MPs whos constituants voted over whelmingly to leave and are worried for their seats.
Corbyn's whips have no power in the PLP.
Like he ignored the whip all of his career, they are just doing the same back.
As we all know, Corbyn is only luke warm on the whole thing anyway.

As I said previously, there will no doubt be some confusingly worded fudge at the end of the day.
The stakes for both sides are too high.

Barney a deal/fudge passed with the support of Labour Remainers could be disastrous for the Tories as a political entity. JRM and his followers would be taking their ball home.

[barney]

I wouldn't be so sure about that Ray.
They see the prize as leaving the EU.
All the nitty gritty deals can easily be rescinded by a future government, when the time is right.
No current administration can lock in future governments.
Trump has proved that.
Everything is negotiable.

You've got to bare in mind that the EU doesn't look half as attractive to investors without the UK in it.
Most of the member states are financial minnows, where trade is concerned.
400 million customers yes, but most with little disposable income.
Paradoxically, the UK is so rich, we can give billions away every year.
We can give millions to India, so they can spend £20 billion on Russian arms.
We can give millions to Rwanda so that they can sponsor Arsenal.

By 2022, the UK will probably look very different.
I forecast bright times ahead.

[johnds]

What a nasty piece of work is Jean-Claude Juncker
He pathetically appeared to mock Theresa May by imitating the prime minister’s Abba dance at the Conservative Party Conference when he gave a speech in Brussels on Monday.

This sort of offensive behaviour is not going to help agree a deal

respect on both sides ?

[Manoverboard]

What a nasty piece of work is Jean-Claude Juncker
He pathetically appeared to mock Theresa May by imitating the prime minister’s Abba dance at the Conservative Party Conference when he gave a speech in Brussels on Monday.

This sort of offensive behaviour is not going to help agree a deal

respect on both sides ?

Perhaps he is doing a ' Jose ' … as in putting the spotlight on himself and taking it away from the ( negotiating ) team ?

ps …. else he is thick

[towny44]

What a nasty piece of work is Jean-Claude Juncker
He pathetically appeared to mock Theresa May by imitating the prime minister’s Abba dance at the Conservative Party Conference when he gave a speech in Brussels on Monday.

This sort of offensive behaviour is not going to help agree a deal

respect on both sides ?

Not very polite I agree, but they do say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[Stephen]

What a nasty piece of work is Jean-Claude Juncker
He pathetically appeared to mock Theresa May by imitating the prime minister’s Abba dance at the Conservative Party Conference when he gave a speech in Brussels on Monday.

This sort of offensive behaviour is not going to help agree a deal

respect on both sides ?

Agree John. The jumped up little sh*t needs a slap.

[oldbluefox]

Smug, arrogant - the sooner we leave this obnoxious little setup the better. However this attitude is nothing new. Maybe, all those years ago President de Gaulle was right and we should have seen the writing on the wall.

[Stephen]

I wonder if Mrs May will mimic a drunken, staggering old soak the next time she's over at the dark side.

[Jack Staff]

I forecast bright times ahead.

I think you might want to keep your voice down if you go to the pub tonight Barney.

“The news of the latest potential major work going to an Italian competitor is a huge blow to an already under-threat yard."

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/b ... ld-2085617

[Jack Staff]

What a nasty piece of work is Jean-Claude Juncker
He pathetically appeared to mock Theresa May by imitating the prime minister’s Abba dance at the Conservative Party Conference when he gave a speech in Brussels on Monday.

This sort of offensive behaviour is not going to help agree a deal

respect on both sides ?

Agree John. The jumped up little sh*t needs a slap.

Yeah! He poked a little fun at our Great Leader.

Not like he compared us to the USSR (Hunt) or Nazi prison guards (Jonhson). To people who have lived under these regimes, that is proper "offensive behaviour".

[towny44]

What a nasty piece of work is Jean-Claude Juncker
He pathetically appeared to mock Theresa May by imitating the prime minister’s Abba dance at the Conservative Party Conference when he gave a speech in Brussels on Monday.

This sort of offensive behaviour is not going to help agree a deal

respect on both sides ?

Agree John. The jumped up little sh*t needs a slap.

Yeah! He poked a little fun at our Great Leader.

Not like he compared us to the USSR (Hunt) or Nazi prison guards (Jonhson). To people who have lived under these regimes, that is proper "offensive behaviour".

You really are an unpatriotic piece of work Jack.

[Jack Staff]

What a nasty piece of work is Jean-Claude Juncker
He pathetically appeared to mock Theresa May by imitating the prime minister’s Abba dance at the Conservative Party Conference when he gave a speech in Brussels on Monday.

This sort of offensive behaviour is not going to help agree a deal

respect on both sides ?

Agree John. The jumped up little sh*t needs a slap.

Yeah! He poked a little fun at our Great Leader.

Not like he compared us to the USSR (Hunt) or Nazi prison guards (Jonhson). To people who have lived under these regimes, that is proper "offensive behaviour".

You really are an unpatriotic piece of work Jack.

What is it with Brexiters and "offensive behaviour"? You already know how "offensive" I consider that accusation.

But lets go ahead with the Brexiter plan (hahahaha!) and break up the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That's just soooooo patriotic isn't it?

[Ray Scully]

Brexiteers throwing out insults is just a smoke screen as they have little or no concrete policies for their hard Brexit that wouldn't put the economy of UK Ltd into a nosedive.

[barney]

I forecast bright times ahead.

I think you might want to keep your voice down if you go to the pub tonight Barney.

“The news of the latest potential major work going to an Italian competitor is a huge blow to an already under-threat yard."

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/b ... ld-2085617

Yeah that is bad news for any rural community Jack, but I'm not sure how it links in to Brexit.
I suspect that you found this story as you seem to relish in bad news for our country in general.
(very unpatriotic) ?

The tender was for a Maltese support ship and they lost the bid.
It went to a shipyard in Italy but I'm sure that would not have been the only too bidding.

Many of the staff are already commuting to Plymouth for work.
The only ship they have in at the moment is an Irish navy one and that is coming to an end.
It's the lead story in todays North Devon Gazette.
It will be such a shame if it closes as the skills will then be lost forever.

Mrs. B's Grandfather and Uncle both worked there, and we can see it across the river on a daily basis.
I expect it will become another building plot if it does close.
Property prices in Appledore are through the roof, so maybe it will give the locals a chance.
A mid-terrace can go for 350K if it has a view.

[Jack Staff]

I forecast bright times ahead.

I think you might want to keep your voice down if you go to the pub tonight Barney.

“The news of the latest potential major work going to an Italian competitor is a huge blow to an already under-threat yard."

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/b ... ld-2085617

Yeah that is bad news for any rural community Jack, but I'm not sure how it links in to Brexit.
I suspect that you found this story as you seem to relish in bad news for our country in general.
(very unpatriotic) ?

You can stop the unpatriotic tosh straight away.
I want the best for my country and that includes employment in your backyard.
A patriot looks at all available information to come to a decision.
A nationalist blocks out any information that does not reinforce their already entrenched view.
You are no patriot. Just a nationalist. A follower of a failed movement that has never done any country any good.
You are destroying my country.

The tender was for a Maltese support ship and they lost the bid.
It went to a shipyard in Italy but I'm sure that would not have been the only too bidding.

It has gone to an EU shipyard. Might that be because if the shipyard forgot to put engines in or was late for delivery, the Maltese could easily seek redress via EU courts perhaps? Or might it just be that in any job you prefer your friends to do it?
We can expect a lot more of this. But nothing to do with Brexit of course.

Many of the staff are already commuting to Plymouth for work.
The only ship they have in at the moment is an Irish navy one and that is coming to an end.
It's the lead story in todays North Devon Gazette.
It will be such a shame if it closes as the skills will then be lost forever.

Mrs. B's Grandfather and Uncle both worked there, and we can see it across the river on a daily basis.
I expect it will become another building plot if it does close.
Property prices in Appledore are through the roof, so maybe it will give the locals a chance.
A mid-terrace can go for 350K if it has a view.

It is a sad fact that pretty much the only people in this country with money now are the boomers (us!). Retirement flats are taking over in any location that is 'nice'. In 30 years we will wonder (maybe not us by then) why we built all these tiny little homes on top of the best bits of the country. There will still not be any decent homes for normal people.

[barney]

After trawling through your posts on this subject (the only one you seem to comment on, by the way) I have to conclude that you are a hypocrite as well as unpatriotic, with your faux concern for 'normal people'
You are looking for any and every excuse to reinforce your arguments and reconcile the fact that your side lost the debate.

I have been unable to find a single post that he been supportive of the country you proport to reside in.
Not a single one.
You have taken the side of the EU at every stage throughout this process.
I'm starting to wonder if you reside in Brussels and are on the payroll.
You relish in any negative story about the UK and when presented with the same about the EU, totally ignore them.

If the accusation against me, of being a Nationalist is because I want to leave the grip of the EU and become a normal, independent country, then yep! that's me. (and millions of others, I'd suspect)
I'd happily chuck my hat in with the other 160+ countries who are not in the EU and seem to be doing alright.

Vive Le Changer

regards
Barney

[Jack Staff]

After trawling through your posts on this subject (the only one you seem to comment on, by the way) I have to conclude that you are a hypocrite as well as unpatriotic, with your faux concern for 'normal people'
You are looking for any and every excuse to reinforce your arguments and reconcile the fact that your side lost the debate.

I am British. The British do not quit. I will fight on (even on the beaches, in the fields....). When we left Europe from Dunkirk we did not say the debate was lost. You only had 37% to start off with. That number has declined dramatically.

I have been unable to find a single post that he been supportive of the country you proport to reside in.
Not a single one.
You have taken the side of the EU at every stage throughout this process.
I'm starting to wonder if you reside in Brussels and are on the payroll.
You relish in any negative story about the UK and when presented with the same about the EU, totally ignore them.

I am afraid that my country has not done much right over the last two and a half years.
That does not mean that I will give in to the dark forces that seem to be in control at the moment.

If the accusation against me, of being a Nationalist is because I want to leave the grip of the EU and become a normal, independent country, then yep! that's me. (and millions of others, I'd suspect)

Can you tell which other normal, independent country belongs to no trading block? Any normal, independent country that has decided to make itself poorer? Any normal, independent country that risks its' breaking up just make some toffs even richer?

I'd happily chuck my hat in with the other 160+ countries who are not in the EU and seem to be doing alright.

Vive Le Changer

regards
Barney

I do not wish my country to languish somewhere amongst 160 other countries. My country deserves to be a world leader and a leader in the EU.

[Manoverboard]

A ' leader ' in the EU …. the UK …. you have to be joking.

They wouldn't even listen to ' Call me Dave ' when he went cap in hand to them, pre referendum..

My view is that they welcome our money, power and Worldwide influence but basically resent our interference in their totally inefficient and counter productive Grand Master Plans.

[Gill W]

Whose Danny Dyer.? Anyway, i shall leave you to argue among yourselves for 2 weeks, it's the Jolly Ventura for me on Monday, stopping in Cirencester tonight. Play nicely Boys and Girls.

Have a great time.
This is Danny Dyers' now famous quote on Cameron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W77154J0-w

Danny Dyer is my Remainer hero

[Gill W]

After three and a half weeks away on the lovely Aurora, my conclusion is that nothing has changed.

We are no closer to a 'deal' than when I went away.

Even if a 'deal' is struck, then it'd have to get through parliament, which doesn't seem to be a remote possibility.

Scanning the posts on this forum, I have noted that the atmosphere is becoming even more unpleasant.

[towny44]

After trawling through your posts on this subject (the only one you seem to comment on, by the way) I have to conclude that you are a hypocrite as well as unpatriotic, with your faux concern for 'normal people'
You are looking for any and every excuse to reinforce your arguments and reconcile the fact that your side lost the debate.

I am British. The British do not quit. I will fight on (even on the beaches, in the fields....). When we left Europe from Dunkirk we did not say the debate was lost. You only had 37% to start off with. That number has declined dramatically.

I have been unable to find a single post that he been supportive of the country you proport to reside in.
Not a single one.
You have taken the side of the EU at every stage throughout this process.
I'm starting to wonder if you reside in Brussels and are on the payroll.
You relish in any negative story about the UK and when presented with the same about the EU, totally ignore them.

I am afraid that my country has not done much right over the last two and a half years.
That does not mean that I will give in to the dark forces that seem to be in control at the moment.
That's only from your perspective of a Europhile, and we are not dark forces but those of enlightenment

If the accusation against me, of being a Nationalist is because I want to leave the grip of the EU and become a normal, independent country, then yep! that's me. (and millions of others, I'd suspect)

Can you tell which other normal, independent country belongs to no trading block?
That is only a temporary situaton because the EU won't allow us to sign up to any tade deals until the ink is dry on our leaving
Any normal, independent country that has decided to make itself poorer?There may be a temporary dip in our GDP, but even that will be worth it to be free of the EU shackles. Any normal, independent country that risks its' breaking up just make some toffs even richer?Jack, the toffs get richer everywhere and especially those in the EU, and if I remember correctly the Scots had 2 independence referenda before the UK voted to leave the EU, so we Brexiters can hardly be the only ones accused of wanting to break up the country.

I'd happily chuck my hat in with the other 160+ countries who are not in the EU and seem to be doing alright.

Vive Le Changer

regards
Barney

I do not wish my country to languish somewhere amongst 160 other countries. My country deserves to be a world leader and a leader in the EU.

And I am absolutely certain that is where we will remain, especially outside the EU..

[Jack Staff]

After trawling through your posts on this subject (the only one you seem to comment on, by the way) I have to conclude that you are a hypocrite as well as unpatriotic, with your faux concern for 'normal people'
You are looking for any and every excuse to reinforce your arguments and reconcile the fact that your side lost the debate.

I am British. The British do not quit. I will fight on (even on the beaches, in the fields....). When we left Europe from Dunkirk we did not say the debate was lost. You only had 37% to start off with. That number has declined dramatically.

I have been unable to find a single post that he been supportive of the country you proport to reside in.
Not a single one.
You have taken the side of the EU at every stage throughout this process.
I'm starting to wonder if you reside in Brussels and are on the payroll.
You relish in any negative story about the UK and when presented with the same about the EU, totally ignore them.

I am afraid that my country has not done much right over the last two and a half years.
That does not mean that I will give in to the dark forces that seem to be in control at the moment.
That's only from your perspective of a Europhile, and we are not dark forces but those of enlightenment

If the accusation against me, of being a Nationalist is because I want to leave the grip of the EU and become a normal, independent country, then yep! that's me. (and millions of others, I'd suspect)

Can you tell which other normal, independent country belongs to no trading block?
That is only a temporary situaton because the EU won't allow us to sign up to any tade deals until the ink is dry on our leaving
Any normal, independent country that has decided to make itself poorer?There may be a temporary dip in our GDP, but even that will be worth it to be free of the EU shackles. Any normal, independent country that risks its' breaking up just make some toffs even richer?Jack, the toffs get richer everywhere and especially those in the EU, and if I remember correctly the Scots had 2 independence referenda before the UK voted to leave the EU, so we Brexiters can hardly be the only ones accused of wanting to break up the country.

I'd happily chuck my hat in with the other 160+ countries who are not in the EU and seem to be doing alright.

Vive Le Changer

regards
Barney

I do not wish my country to languish somewhere amongst 160 other countries. My country deserves to be a world leader and a leader in the EU.

And I am absolutely certain that is where we will remain, especially outside the EU..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw32fiasUSs