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Brexit
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Ray Scully
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- Posts: 2069
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- Location: Lancashire
Re: Brexit
All is sorted !! Whilst Davis Davies couldn't sort out the EU round the negotiating table, he is to take to the skies in his Spitfire and show them what for. Next PM
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screwy
- Senior First Officer

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- Location: Lancashire
Re: Brexit
Yes Ray, it's a Spitfire, remember it.? One of the 'British' planes that fought off those nasty Germans and it's allies to keep Britain FREE from a Foriegn power ruling us.Now it seems your more than happy to oblige them dictating to us.
Mel
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Ray Scully
- Senior First Officer

- Posts: 2069
- Joined: January 2013
- Location: Lancashire
Re: Brexit
Screwy I respect the views of those folk who wish to leave the EU because they don't want anything to do with the Germans, French et al
Last edited by Ray Scully on 23 Oct 2018, 15:08, edited 1 time in total.
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screwy
- Senior First Officer

- Posts: 3033
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- Location: Lancashire
Re: Brexit
It's not that i dont want anything to do with them, i actually think Germany is a great country, i drove trucks there for 3 yrs, i just dont want to be told what i can and cant do by them and the rest of the EU.
Mel
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oldbluefox
- Ex Team Member
- Posts: 12538
- Joined: January 2013
- Location: Cumbria
Re: Brexit
Is that what barney said? I took it to mean they would put it in their manifesto. He mentioned nothing about the end of the United Kingdom. That is in the hands of Ms Sturgeon and the Scottish people.Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 14:08The party that does will be the next government. (I assume we are only talking Con/Lab here).barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 13:12All you've now got to do is find a political party that is willing to put this in their manifesto.So even you think that Brexit will lead to the end of the United Kingdom?
I was taught to be cautious
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oldbluefox
- Ex Team Member
- Posts: 12538
- Joined: January 2013
- Location: Cumbria
Re: Brexit
So are our Remainer friends happy to be subsumed as a member of a Federal United States of Europe, with open borders and one currency?
I was taught to be cautious
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Jack Staff
- First Officer

- Posts: 1656
- Joined: September 2016
Re: Brexit
Why else would he suggest I move to Scotland, except to remain in the EU?oldbluefox wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 15:23Is that what barney said? I took it to mean they would put it in their manifesto. He mentioned nothing about the end of the United Kingdom. That is in the hands of Ms Sturgeon and the Scottish people.Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 14:08The party that does will be the next government. (I assume we are only talking Con/Lab here).barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 13:12All you've now got to do is find a political party that is willing to put this in their manifesto.So even you think that Brexit will lead to the end of the United Kingdom?
Hopefully before that happens the adults will come back in the room and we all stay in the EU.
Testiculi ad Brexitum. Venceremos.
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Jack Staff
- First Officer

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Re: Brexit
How could that even happen?oldbluefox wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 15:28So are our Remainer friends happy to be subsumed as a member of a Federal United States of Europe, with open borders and one currency?
I should just like to point out that it is the remainers are the ones to use "Project Fear", supposedly.
Testiculi ad Brexitum. Venceremos.
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oldbluefox
- Ex Team Member
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- Location: Cumbria
Re: Brexit
Because he suggested they would be a political party willing to put it in their manifesto!!! That's what barney said. Give me strength!!!!Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 15:33Why else would he suggest I move to Scotland, except to remain in the EU?oldbluefox wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 15:23Is that what barney said? I took it to mean they would put it in their manifesto. He mentioned nothing about the end of the United Kingdom. That is in the hands of Ms Sturgeon and the Scottish people.Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 14:08The party that does will be the next government. (I assume we are only talking Con/Lab here).barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 13:12All you've now got to do is find a political party that is willing to put this in their manifesto.So even you think that Brexit will lead to the end of the United Kingdom?
Hopefully before that happens the adults will come back in the room and we all stay in the EU.
I was taught to be cautious
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Jack Staff
- First Officer

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Re: Brexit
Libs Dems, Plaid, Greens, WEP Alliance all have it in their manifestos. I have no idea what you are trying to say.oldbluefox wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 15:43Because he suggested they would be a political party willing to put it in their manifesto!!! That's what barney said. Give me strength!!!!Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 15:33Why else would he suggest I move to Scotland, except to remain in the EU?oldbluefox wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 15:23Is that what barney said? I took it to mean they would put it in their manifesto. He mentioned nothing about the end of the United Kingdom. That is in the hands of Ms Sturgeon and the Scottish people.Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 14:08
The party that does will be the next government. (I assume we are only talking Con/Lab here).
So even you think that Brexit will lead to the end of the United Kingdom?
Hopefully before that happens the adults will come back in the room and we all stay in the EU.
Last edited by Jack Staff on 23 Oct 2018, 16:02, edited 2 times in total.
Testiculi ad Brexitum. Venceremos.
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oldbluefox
- Ex Team Member
- Posts: 12538
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- Location: Cumbria
Re: Brexit
I'll simplify it even more Jack.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 13:12Oh give us a break Jack![]()
You are obviously nearing desperation point.
It's a plain as the nose on your face that the EU have taken a gamble on the UK changing it's mind and the gamble has failed.
So, it's now time for them to get down to some serious talking.
It's just a shame that they didn't do this eighteen months ago.
it should all have been sorted by now, one way or the other.
However, there is still hope for you
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-br ... may-2018-3
All you've now got to do is find a political party that is willing to put this in their manifesto.
Maybe move to scotland, as the SNP certainly will.
Show me where barney says Brexit will lead to the end of the United Kingdom.
I was taught to be cautious
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Ray Scully
- Senior First Officer

- Posts: 2069
- Joined: January 2013
- Location: Lancashire
Re: Brexit
Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 15:41How could that even happen?oldbluefox wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 15:28So are our Remainer friends happy to be subsumed as a member of a Federal United States of Europe, with open borders and one currency?
If we crash out, realise what a mess we have created and then go back cap in hand asking to rejoin
Last edited by Ray Scully on 23 Oct 2018, 16:43, edited 1 time in total.
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barney
- Deputy Captain

- Posts: 5853
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- Location: Instow Devon
Re: Brexit
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-4893570
Published just last year by that very nice anti democratic chap Mr Campbell.
Only the very, very naïve can think that the EU is not heading this way.
It's time to take your heads out of the sand guys.
It's either no EU or much more EU.
They are the only options on the table.
Published just last year by that very nice anti democratic chap Mr Campbell.
Only the very, very naïve can think that the EU is not heading this way.
It's time to take your heads out of the sand guys.
It's either no EU or much more EU.
They are the only options on the table.
Free and Accepted
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Jack Staff
- First Officer

- Posts: 1656
- Joined: September 2016
Re: Brexit
The bit in glow text.oldbluefox wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 16:25I'll simplify it even more Jack.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 13:12Oh give us a break Jack![]()
You are obviously nearing desperation point.
It's a plain as the nose on your face that the EU have taken a gamble on the UK changing it's mind and the gamble has failed.
So, it's now time for them to get down to some serious talking.
It's just a shame that they didn't do this eighteen months ago.
it should all have been sorted by now, one way or the other.
However, there is still hope for you
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-br ... may-2018-3
All you've now got to do is find a political party that is willing to put this in their manifesto.
Maybe move to scotland, as the SNP certainly will.
Show me where barney says Brexit will lead to the end of the United Kingdom.
Barney is saying (as I understand it) that Scotland will be in the EU when England isn't, which presupposes the break up of the UK.
Testiculi ad Brexitum. Venceremos.
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oldbluefox
- Ex Team Member
- Posts: 12538
- Joined: January 2013
- Location: Cumbria
Re: Brexit
Ray, if Martin Schulz gets his way we won't need Brexit.................
"The Chairman of Germany’s Social Democratic Party (SDP) wants to redesign the EU into the ‘United States of Europe’ by 2025, under a single constitutional treaty. Those who disagree with the federal constitution, under Martin Schulz's proposal, would automatically have to leave the EU".
"The Chairman of Germany’s Social Democratic Party (SDP) wants to redesign the EU into the ‘United States of Europe’ by 2025, under a single constitutional treaty. Those who disagree with the federal constitution, under Martin Schulz's proposal, would automatically have to leave the EU".
I was taught to be cautious
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barney
- Deputy Captain

- Posts: 5853
- Joined: March 2013
- Location: Instow Devon
Re: Brexit
Don't argue with an idiot OBF.oldbluefox wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 16:25I'll simplify it even more Jack.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 13:12Oh give us a break Jack![]()
You are obviously nearing desperation point.
It's a plain as the nose on your face that the EU have taken a gamble on the UK changing it's mind and the gamble has failed.
So, it's now time for them to get down to some serious talking.
It's just a shame that they didn't do this eighteen months ago.
it should all have been sorted by now, one way or the other.
However, there is still hope for you
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-br ... may-2018-3
All you've now got to do is find a political party that is willing to put this in their manifesto.
Maybe move to scotland, as the SNP certainly will.
Show me where barney says Brexit will lead to the end of the United Kingdom.
He has the advantage of years of experience.
The SNP's raison d'etre is to leave the union between UK countries, either with or without Brexit.
The main reason for Sin Fein's existence is to unite Ireland. That is taking Northern Ireland outside of the UK. With or without Brexit.
Plyd Cymru is a nationalist party who ultimately want Welsh self rule. With or without Brexit.
So, three nationalist parties have always wished to leave the UK and all of a sudden it's Brexit's fault.
I admit that personally, I quite like the idea of democracy and if any of them can garner enough votes to see their policy through, then good luck to them.
I don't think that it's right to keep citizens subjugated against their will.
Ohh …. hang on there ……….
Free and Accepted
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Jack Staff
- First Officer

- Posts: 1656
- Joined: September 2016
Re: Brexit
Very pleased to see you are at last reading a quality newspaper. But it is not published by Alistair Campbell, though he does write for them.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:06https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-4893570
Published just last year by that very nice anti democratic chap Mr Campbell.
Only the very, very naïve can think that the EU is not heading this way.
It's time to take your heads out of the sand guys.
It's either no EU or much more EU.
They are the only options on the table.
I'm sure you would point out my error if I said the Telegraph was published by that twonk Johnson.
We can have as much or as little of the EU as we want. Some don't want any and they had their opportunity in June 2016. Unfortunately they have just squandered that chance.
Testiculi ad Brexitum. Venceremos.
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barney
- Deputy Captain

- Posts: 5853
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- Location: Instow Devon
Re: Brexit
Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:15Very pleased to see you are at last reading a quality newspaper. But it is not published by Alistair Campbell, though he does write for them.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:06https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-4893570
Published just last year by that very nice anti democratic chap Mr Campbell.
Only the very, very naïve can think that the EU is not heading this way.
It's time to take your heads out of the sand guys.
It's either no EU or much more EU.
They are the only options on the table.
I'm sure you would point out my error if I said the Telegraph was published by that twonk Johnson.
We can have as much or as little of the EU as we want. Some don't want any and they had their opportunity in June 2016. Unfortunately they have just squandered that chance.
you do know how to put a smile on my face
BTW and for your info, Campbell is the Editor at Large of The New European.
Last edited by barney on 23 Oct 2018, 18:22, edited 1 time in total.
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barney
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Re: Brexit
We have no need to worry about Herr Shultz, OBF.oldbluefox wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:10Ray, if Martin Schulz gets his way we won't need Brexit.................
"The Chairman of Germany’s Social Democratic Party (SDP) wants to redesign the EU into the ‘United States of Europe’ by 2025, under a single constitutional treaty. Those who disagree with the federal constitution, under Martin Schulz's proposal, would automatically have to leave the EU".
After leading the SDP to their worst election results in living memory, has was unceremoniously dumped by his party.
He'll turn up working for Facebook with Sir Nick
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Jack Staff
- First Officer

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- Joined: September 2016
Re: Brexit
Well we can while we are still members. We have a place at the table and the veto.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:19Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:15Very pleased to see you are at last reading a quality newspaper. But it is not published by Alistair Campbell, though he does write for them.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:06https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-4893570
Published just last year by that very nice anti democratic chap Mr Campbell.
Only the very, very naïve can think that the EU is not heading this way.
It's time to take your heads out of the sand guys.
It's either no EU or much more EU.
They are the only options on the table.
I'm sure you would point out my error if I said the Telegraph was published by that twonk Johnson.
We can have as much or as little of the EU as we want. Some don't want any and they had their opportunity in June 2016. Unfortunately they have just squandered that chance.![]()
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Nice one Jack
you do know how to put a smile on my face
If we leave we will have to do what they say. True they won't actually bother to say it to us, like what time our clocks are set to, or how we make things, we will just have to do it the way they do it or we go broke.
Testiculi ad Brexitum. Venceremos.
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Jack Staff
- First Officer

- Posts: 1656
- Joined: September 2016
Re: Brexit
Exactly. Just like I said.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:19Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:15Very pleased to see you are at last reading a quality newspaper. But it is not published by Alistair Campbell, though he does write for them.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:06https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-4893570
Published just last year by that very nice anti democratic chap Mr Campbell.
Only the very, very naïve can think that the EU is not heading this way.
It's time to take your heads out of the sand guys.
It's either no EU or much more EU.
They are the only options on the table.
I'm sure you would point out my error if I said the Telegraph was published by that twonk Johnson.
We can have as much or as little of the EU as we want. Some don't want any and they had their opportunity in June 2016. Unfortunately they have just squandered that chance.![]()
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Nice one Jack
you do know how to put a smile on my face
BTW and for your info, Campbell is the Editor at Large of The New European.
Testiculi ad Brexitum. Venceremos.
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barney
- Deputy Captain

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- Location: Instow Devon
Re: Brexit
You have obviously never heard of qualified majority voting
I'm shocked with you being our resident expert on all things EU.
https://euobserver.com/institutional/139630
Read the article Jack, and educate yourself about what is really going on.
You cannot just keep ignoring facts to suit your argument.
I'm shocked with you being our resident expert on all things EU.
https://euobserver.com/institutional/139630
Read the article Jack, and educate yourself about what is really going on.
You cannot just keep ignoring facts to suit your argument.
Last edited by barney on 23 Oct 2018, 18:39, edited 1 time in total.
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johnds
- Second Officer

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- Joined: January 2013
- Location: Chorley
Re: Brexit
Jack
I think this is all becoming a bit too much for you
I thought you said you were thinking of having a rest.
I think a rest would be good for you and good for us too.
I think that by now everyone knows your viewpoint and surely even you must realise that banging on day after day on here about your wonderful EU is futile and a waste of your energy. You do not appear to have converted a single soul on here and nor are you likely to.
Have a lie down and let's have a few days peace.
I think this is all becoming a bit too much for you
I thought you said you were thinking of having a rest.
I think a rest would be good for you and good for us too.
I think that by now everyone knows your viewpoint and surely even you must realise that banging on day after day on here about your wonderful EU is futile and a waste of your energy. You do not appear to have converted a single soul on here and nor are you likely to.
Have a lie down and let's have a few days peace.
John
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oldbluefox
- Ex Team Member
- Posts: 12538
- Joined: January 2013
- Location: Cumbria
Re: Brexit
Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:29Exactly. Just like I said.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:19Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:15Very pleased to see you are at last reading a quality newspaper. But it is not published by Alistair Campbell, though he does write for them.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:06https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-4893570
Published just last year by that very nice anti democratic chap Mr Campbell.
Only the very, very naïve can think that the EU is not heading this way.
It's time to take your heads out of the sand guys.
It's either no EU or much more EU.
They are the only options on the table.
I'm sure you would point out my error if I said the Telegraph was published by that twonk Johnson.
We can have as much or as little of the EU as we want. Some don't want any and they had their opportunity in June 2016. Unfortunately they have just squandered that chance.![]()
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Nice one Jack
you do know how to put a smile on my face
BTW and for your info, Campbell is the Editor at Large of The New European.
And now he's putting a smile on my face. A bit of a difference between writing for The New European and being Editor at Large. I think he may need a trip to Specsavers
Last edited by oldbluefox on 23 Oct 2018, 18:57, edited 1 time in total.
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Jack Staff
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Re: Brexit
Yes, and the bit of a difference to publisher too.oldbluefox wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:52Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:29Exactly. Just like I said.barney wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:19Jack Staff wrote: 23 Oct 2018, 18:15
Very pleased to see you are at last reading a quality newspaper. But it is not published by Alistair Campbell, though he does write for them.
I'm sure you would point out my error if I said the Telegraph was published by that twonk Johnson.
We can have as much or as little of the EU as we want. Some don't want any and they had their opportunity in June 2016. Unfortunately they have just squandered that chance.![]()
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Nice one Jack
you do know how to put a smile on my face
BTW and for your info, Campbell is the Editor at Large of The New European.![]()
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And now he's putting a smile on my face. A bit of a difference between writing for The New European and being Editor at Large. I think he may need a trip to Specsavers![]()
Testiculi ad Brexitum. Venceremos.