Brexit

[Manoverboard]

Have I got that right ?

No, you are missing the point, as usual

If there’s any arrogance around here, it’s not coming from me or Jack.

It seems to me, that some people on this forum are so desperate for their Brexit, they refuse acknowldedge that many people wish to have their say, NOW THAT MORE INFORMATION HAS BECOME AVAILABLE AND THE DRAFT DEAL HAS BEEN DRAWN UP.

You can’t really think, in any normal circumstance, people cling to something they decided to do 2 and a half years ago, regardless of what has happened since.

I can tell you that had I been on the wrong side of the referendum vote I would have been disappointed for sure but I wouldn't have wasted any time trying to get the decision reversed. The elapse time is due to the complexity of the negotiations and while most wanted it to be sorted in a fortnight it was never going to happen that way.

It is, in my opinion, arrogant to assume that you know better than the 35 Million people who voted in the referendum. Those who voted to leave for the most part did so because they are in areas that have been devastated since the EU has controlled their destiny and communities. I think they voted to leave to give TM the opportunity to reverse their fortunes. I don't think that she intends to let them down.

Like I said 35,000,000 people voted, that is their one off involvement and it is now up to Parliament to progress the matter. Twitter and Larry the cat / lamb have no part to play in the World that I live in.

[towny44]

If there’s any arrogance around here, it’s not coming from me or Jack.

It seems to me, that some people on this forum are so desperate for their Brexit, they refuse acknowldedge that many people wish to have their say, NOW THAT MORE INFORMATION HAS BECOME AVAILABLE AND THE DRAFT DEAL HAS BEEN DRAWN UP.

You can’t really think, in any normal circumstance, people cling to something they decided to do 2 and a half years ago, regardless of what has happened since.

Strange as it may seem to you Gill, although I now know more about brexit than when I voted, it has not changed my mind that we need to leave the EU.
Your comments above are what I would expect to hear from someone who is narrow minded, which from many of our jousts I would not have considered applied to you.

[Stephen]

Let's not fall out over this, and agree to disagree. We are a friendly bunch really. Life's too short to keep point scoring off each other.

[Jack Staff]

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35 Million people who voted in the referendum.
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Like I said 35,000,000 people voted,...

Why are you so keen to publicise this meaningless figure? Some might see it as an attempt to mislead.

We don't need to go back to the numbers yet again, do we? Talk about going around in circles.

[Jack Staff]

Let's not fall out over this, and agree to disagree. We are a friendly bunch really. Life's too short to keep point scoring off each other.

And you can keep your nose out. It's spelt Sarf, not Souf. Bleeding wino's.

Only kidding Stephen! Luvooo!

[Stephen]

No offence taken Jack .....

[david63]

As I understand the situation basically there is one stumbling block with the "draft" deal and that is the backstop agreement for the NI boarder and apart from that most people are content with the deal as it gives what the people asked for - yes there will be some areas that some people will not be happy with but we all know the old saying "you can't please all the people all the time, etc."

If, and it may well be a big if, there is not movement on the Irish boarder in the next 18 months then yes the backstop will kick in but there is the possibility that common sense may prevail in the EU and a compromise is reached.

It really must be a nightmare trying to "negotiate" withe the EU whose only way of negotiating is to say " do as we say - there is no other option"

[Onelife]

One would hope common sense will kick in but in reality l think l have more chance of backing 5 winners tomorrow than that ever happening.
We are a lot wiser now and with more time on our hands we can put in place measures that come the time of our departure we'll have a choice of either remain under their terms or leave under ours.

[Gill W]

Re post #2951.


After the referendum I accepted the result, and, if the negotiations had gone the way they were sold to us and we had reached this wonderful deal we were promised, I certainly wouldn’t be spending time banging on about about the result of a vote 2 years ago.

However it’s been a shambles, we are in chaos, and we appear to have the choice of either shooting ourselves in the foot or in the head. Why would the country not be consulted about whether they now wish to take the gun away.

Moby has gone way over the top, accusing me of arrogance. I have never, ever said that ‘I know better than anyone, let alone 35 million people.

I’m suggesting it would be prudent to ask people what they think, now we are in full possession of the facts. Where is the arrogance in that?

Yes, it’s time for Parliament to progress the issue - would you accept it, if the withdrawal bill was voted down, Parliament went back to the nation to see if we wanted to leave with no deal? That is completely democratic, is it not?

[Gill W]

Re post #2952
So I’m not only arrogant. I’m narrow minded too

Why does it have to get so personal?

Is it really so impossible to disagree without the unpleasantness? I’m pretty sick of it to be honest. Every bloomin’ time it turns ugly.

It’d be much easier for me just to go away, but I’m not going to do that.

[towny44]

Re post #2952
So I’m not only arrogant. I’m narrow minded too

Why does it have to get so personal?

Is it really so impossible to disagree without the unpleasantness? I’m pretty sick of it to be honest. Every bloomin’ time it turns ugly.

It’d be much easier for me just to go away, but I’m not going to do that.

Gill, check back on your posts and I am sure you will find lots of derogatory comments about brexiters, but we don't kick up a fuss and have a strop about it.

[towny44]

I understand that Juncker has found another pair of one black and 1 brown shoe at home!

[Onelife]

Jack wanted to give Stephen a bloody nose and called him a 'tart'......

[Onelife]

Oop's...should have gone to spec savers

[Golden Princess]

I am sure there have probably been derogatory comments about brexiters, but I certainly dont remember any personal comments. Unlike the personal comments directed towards others expressing a different view. I have certainly not forgotten the extremely offensive post of a few months ago, and I will not stop mentioning it when it is relevant. I cannot forget what I read and I am sure the person to whom it was directed will not forget it either, not to mention any one else who saw the post. So I think that "but we dont kick up a fuss and have a strop about it" is not actually correct.

[Gill W]

Gill, check back on your posts and I am sure you will find lots of derogatory comments about brexiters, but we don't kick up a fuss and have a strop about it.

I don’t think you will find lots of derogatory comments about Brexiters in my tweets, as I try and avoid that sort of thing. If I do make a heated comment, it’s normally in response to something provocative

I’m sure there’d be a right old fuss if I started running round saying things like ‘Brexiters are as thick as mince’ or ‘Brexiters haven’t got two brain cells to rub together’. I reckon you’d all kick off, big time.

I also avoid making personal comments. Maybe I should start, and see how stroppy people get.

[Onelife]

Gill, check back on your posts and I am sure you will find lots of derogatory comments about brexiters, but we don't kick up a fuss and have a strop about it.

I don’t think you will find lots of derogatory comments about Brexiters in my tweets, as I try and avoid that sort of thing. If I do make a heated comment, it’s normally in response to something provocative

I’m sure there’d be a right old fuss if I started running round saying things like ‘Brexiters are as thick as mince’ or ‘Brexiters haven’t got two brain cells to rub together’. I reckon you’d all kick off, big time.

I also avoid making personal comments. Maybe I should start, and see how stroppy people get.

Squeak! squeak! ..

[Stephen]

I understand that Juncker has found another pair of one black and 1 brown shoe at home!

The doddery old duffer needs putting out to pasture.

[Stephen]

Gill, check back on your posts and I am sure you will find lots of derogatory comments about brexiters, but we don't kick up a fuss and have a strop about it.

I don’t think you will find lots of derogatory comments about Brexiters in my tweets, as I try and avoid that sort of thing. If I do make a heated comment, it’s normally in response to something provocative

I’m sure there’d be a right old fuss if I started running round saying things like ‘Brexiters are as thick as mince’ or ‘Brexiters haven’t got two brain cells to rub together’. I reckon you’d all kick off, big time.

I also avoid making personal comments. Maybe I should start, and see how stroppy people get.

OK, Who's been talking

[Stephen]

Oop's...should have gone to spec savers

Via the hospital if you keep it up

[oldbluefox]

Gill, check back on your posts and I am sure you will find lots of derogatory comments about brexiters, but we don't kick up a fuss and have a strop about it.

I don’t think you will find lots of derogatory comments about Brexiters in my tweets, as I try and avoid that sort of thing. If I do make a heated comment, it’s normally in response to something provocative

I’m sure there’d be a right old fuss if I started running round saying things like ‘Brexiters are as thick as mince’ or ‘Brexiters haven’t got two brain cells to rub together’. I reckon you’d all kick off, big time.

I also avoid making personal comments. Maybe I should start, and see how stroppy people get.

Gill, I would urge you to do as towny has asked. Go back to #2836 and your Jolly Boys comment which was totally unprovoked. As I have said before I find a number of your posts rather aggressive in tone and I am not sure whether you realise how your posts (tweets?) come across to the rest of us. It seems you feel as though you are an innocent victim and whilst none of us are saints, your halo isn't exactly straight either. We all have to take responsibility.

[Manoverboard]

Re post #2951. After the referendum I accepted the result ….

A wonderful deal was never going to be on the cards regardless of who said what to influence the outcome of the referendum, common sense dictates that compromises would need to be made. It is the British way of doing things after all. Parliament's task is to deal with it and improve it as required, if at all possible. Whatever the outcome I will accept it.

35,000,000 people voted ( sorry Jack ) and virtually every post you have made ( Gill ) challenges the outcome or requires a re-run of some sort. I readily accept that the vote did not please you but any comment that implies that the voters were a tad unwise at best to vote the way they did is to ignore their reasons for the vote going that way. It was an incredibly high turnout and a clear statement of the failure of those hiding within the Westminster bubble. Arrogance may not have been the best choice but it seemed appropriate to me at the time I posted it.

Somebody way back suggested the posting of ' honest feelings ' on the subject of Brexit, it seemed a good idea so I provided some of mine. You deliver passion regarding your own point of view so you need to accept that others with an opposing view will respond in a like manner.

[Onelife]

Oop's...should have gone to spec savers

Via the hospital if you keep it up

You can forget the smiley face.........l find your threatening post very offensive

[Stephen]

Oop's...should have gone to spec savers

Via the hospital if you keep it up

You can forget the smiley face.........l find your threatening post very offensive

Sorry...........snowflake

[Gill W]

Re Foxy's post #2971

As I explained a couple of days ago, 'Jolly Boys' is my personal nickname for the group of Brexiters on this forum.. It's a fairly inocccuous nickname, but, after our posts 2884 and 2886, we agree that restraint should be shown on both sides. I therefore resolved to myself to keep that nickname to myself in future. We were happy and we moved on.

However, by post 2906, we're back to having a dig at Remainers. If Jolly Boys of Brexit is regarded as provocative, then a comment about 'Jolly Remainers' can only be seen as provocative too.

Move forward to post #2943, and I'm accused of arrogance, just because I was talking about going back to the 'people'. Incidentally this is an idea that is gaining a lot of traction now - so it was an outrageous remark to direct at me.

Then move forward to post 2952 and its implied I'm narrow minded - I don't really even understand this one.

What am I meant to do? Am I expected to sit here and turn the other cheek every time there is a dig or snipe at Remainers, and ignore personal comments, for fear of upsetting the apple cart?

Foxy said we all have to take responsibility, and I agree with him. Maybe Foxy needs to remind some of the other posters on this forum?