Brexit

[Ray Scully]

This is not about a few folks on forums like this getting upset, just think of those who have staked millions on the outcome of us leaving the EU

[Mervyn and Trish]

Agreed Jack - after three years of all of our chuntering and repeating ourselves, it’s not the time to go quiet when significant action is finally happening

I refer you to your pledge in post 5270. And that is my final comment until 29th March.

[towny44]

ICE BER(G)COW SINKS MV3 --- IS THIS THE END FOR BREXIT

Who would have thought that a Diddeyman Popinjay in a Headmasters gown could wreak such havoc, I wonder what today will bring?

[Manoverboard]

So ... now we have a pumped up little pip squeak aiming to stop Brexit. He should be strung up, defrocked and sent packing without a pension. It raises a couple of interesting points however …

Two votes were conducted on ' NOT Leaving without a deal ' … a third cannot therefore be presented ?

Without new precedents Parliament is stuck in the sands of time c1604 .. is it not ?



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[Gill W]

The executive has played for time and tried to bully, bluster and bribe her failed deal through Parliament.

John Bercow is standing up for parliamentary conventions.

Parliament can overturn historic conventions.

The latest I've heard is that May is plotting a vote to do just that, to allow more and more more meaningful (or meaningless) votes, again and again and again.....

The funniest thing I've heard is from James Cleverly, Tory MP and May's biggest cheerleader (apart from Onelife). He thinks it's not fair that Bercow didn't say this before MV2, so MP's knew it would be their final vote. It exposes that it's all a game of thrones to some of them, and they thought they could vote again to get what they wanted in their party, and with no regard to the good of the country. Disgusting, but not surprising.

[david63]

My concern is the motives behind this. Is he maintaining parliamentary convention or is it more his own Remain ideals.

[screwy]

I seriously worry about some people here,they must spend all their waking hours trawling through , Instagram,Political channels or any other available outlets to make meaningless,spiteful posts on here.Me,I’m just an old knuckle dragger who obviously knows nowt but throws in the odd word or two.I’m with Merv.

[Ray Scully]

I seriously worry about some people here,they must spend all their waking hours trawling through , Instagram,Political channels or any other available outlets to make meaningless,spiteful posts on here.Me,I’m just an old knuckle dragger who obviously knows nowt but throws in the odd word or two.I’m with Merv.

My concern is to how they will cope with the withdrawal symptoms should this ever be resolved

[Manoverboard]

My concern is the motives behind this. Is he maintaining parliamentary convention or is it more his own Remain ideals.

I agree with you there … he seems to be very biased as compared to say Anne Widdecombe / Betty Boothroyd & Co.

[Jack Staff]

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[Gill W]

I seriously worry about some people here,they must spend all their waking hours trawling through , Instagram,Political channels or any other available outlets to make meaningless,spiteful posts on here.Me,I’m just an old knuckle dragger who obviously knows nowt but throws in the odd word or two.I’m with Merv.

That’s a spiteful post, if ever I saw one

[barney]

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I fully agree with that.

Flogging a dead horse !

The EU are now stating that they need a credible purpose to consider an extension to A50.

The ‘credible purpose’ is very clear.
The purpose would be to give the EU time to agree to change the Northern Ireland ‘backstop’ in the draft Withdrawal Agreement, so that the draft WA can pass the UK Parliament.

If the EU believes that this is not a credible purpose (‘we already have our agreement!’, etc.), then the EU will choose not to extend the Article 50 process and thereby choose a ‘no deal’ Brexit so we leave by default on the 29th.

I hope that is clear enough.

[barney]

Hmmmm ! an extension of up to two years ………..

That will please some !

The longer that the can is kicked down the road, the greater chance that Brexit will never happen.

A shameful day for The PM, British politics and Parliament in particular.

[Jack Staff]

If the EU believes that this is not a credible purpose (‘we already have our agreement!’, etc.), then the EU will choose not to extend the Article 50 process and thereby choose a ‘no deal’ Brexit so we leave by default on the 29th.

I hope that is clear enough.

But we don't "have our agreement". Bercow has (temporarily?) seen to that.

So to leave as you suggest (29th) goes against what Theresa wants.
Goes against what Parliament wants - they specifically voted against it.
Goes against what most* people want.
Given this situation, Theresa just might say "Oh 'flip' this, I revoke A50 and I resign, someone else can have a go".

Reality is neither of our 'dream' solutions is actually that likely.

*We could argue numbers here, but as half are remain to start with and there are many 'soft' Brexiters, I feel pretty confident.

[towny44]

Jack, I am not so sure about soft brexiteers, if it comes to another referendum I am not unduly concerned, I think leave would still scrape through. As regards old brexiteers dying off and being replaced by young remainers, the fact is we are all getting older and prone to become more extreme, so plenty of scope for previous remain voters to see the light and convert to the leave side.

[Ray Scully]

Hmmmm ! an extension of up to two years ………..

That will please some !

The longer that the can is kicked down the road, the greater chance that Brexit will never happen.

A shameful day for The PM, British politics and Parliament in particular.

Barney, THERE's MORE SHAMEFUL STUNTS info.courtesy of LBC

Nigel Farage launched the Leave Means Leave March in Sunderland on Saturday, but returned to London the day after to host his LBC show.
And James admitted he felt really sorry for the people conned and left to march in a small group down the country.

He said: "It's the best illustration of Brexit you'll ever see.
"60 or 70 poor souls abandoned in the weather by wealthy business, media and political figures who are back in London, dry, warm and wealthy.
"And yet, still they trust, still they believe. I don't get it. How much more evidence do you need that the people you trusted did not deserve your trust and the people you derided and dismissed were sticking up for your interests all along.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, I am not so sure about soft brexiteers, if it comes to another referendum I am not unduly concerned, I think leave would still scrape through.

Barney and I were talking specifically about a crash out on the 29th March.
Therefore I would include Onelife and probably even yourself in the 'most people' category.

[Gill W]

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I fully agree with that.

Flogging a dead horse !

The EU are now stating that they need a credible purpose to consider an extension to A50.

The ‘credible purpose’ is very clear.
The purpose would be to give the EU time to agree to change the Northern Ireland ‘backstop’ in the draft Withdrawal Agreement, so that the draft WA can pass the UK Parliament.

If the EU believes that this is not a credible purpose (‘we already have our agreement!’, etc.), then the EU will choose not to extend the Article 50 process and thereby choose a ‘no deal’ Brexit so we leave by default on the 29th.

I hope that is clear enough.

Crystal clear to me.

The EU have stated until they are blue in the face that the WA is not up for renegotiation. Any extension is for UK to do something different, not the EU.

As it appears there are no plans from the UK, except for May to attempt to batter her deal through parliament again next week, I can't see the EU agreeing to an extension.

Therefore the stark choice will be to leave without a deal or revoke A50, because, as you say, the deal is a dead horse.

[Gill W]

Peston is saying that the PM is set to write to the EU requesting both a short and a long delay.

[towny44]

Peston is saying that the PM is set to write to the EU requesting both a short and a long delay.

Who says you can't have it both ways.

[barney]

It's mind bogglingly incompetent.

The day that Parliament took 'no deal' off table was the day that Brexit, as it was voted for, was over.

Short of May getting her rubbish deal through, which is still very unlikely, we will not be leaving the EU, in my opinion.

The only thing that could resurrect it is a Corbyn government, which is equally unlikely.

[Jack Staff]

It's mind bogglingly incompetent.

The day that Parliament took 'no deal' off table was the day that Brexit, as it was voted for, was over.

Short of May getting her rubbish deal through, which is still very unlikely, we will not be leaving the EU, in my opinion.

The only thing that could resurrect it is a Corbyn government, which is equally unlikely.

Spot on Barney. I would however suggest 'the day' was when A50 was triggered without a plan, but that only reinforces your "mind bogglingly incompetent" sentiments.

[barney]

Can't disagree with that. I said from day one that this governments handling was rubbish. Plans for no WA should have started immediately. It would have been done and dusted by now. I just hope that one single EU leader vetos an extension but I'm not holding my breath on that. They are terrified of losing their cash cow.

[barney]

Breaking news. Barnier announces that the EU is ready for no deal in ten days. Brilliant. we'll all agree on that then and leave on the 29th.

[Jack Staff]

Breaking news. Barnier announces that the EU is ready for no deal in ten days. Brilliant. we'll all agree on that then and leave on the 29th.

TM's plan of threatening us leaving 'no deal' has backfired.
We simply can't. We are not ready, parliament says no, most people....
She dropped the gun. It's now in Barniers hands pointing at us.
She has to get an extension*.
A short one means we might get (nearly) ready to leave 'no deal'
A long one means EU elections, results of legal cases about the 2016 vote, public opinion changes.... we stay.

*During any extension we can revoke at any time.