It seems that the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Ireland Parties were all critical of the deal plus Labour and the Libdems of course. Fair enough I suppose but if I was, for example, a Labour voter I would want my leader to be seen to be supportive of the Government of the day at this momentus time rather than resorting to scoring cheap political points.
From speeches of the NI DUP MLAs, it seems there is support for the deal however they can not be seen to be voting for something that places a border down the Irish Sea (something that, during the DUP conference, Johnson vowed would never happen, and then less than 72 hours later he caved in). To vote for such a border would be totally against what their core electorate would want and what their party constitution states. I think you would agree that peoples elected representatives should vote the way that their electorate would want.
So while there is tacit agreement they cannot be seen to be voting for it.
It seems that the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Ireland Parties were all critical of the deal plus Labour and the Libdems of course. Fair enough I suppose but if I was, for example, a Labour voter I would want my leader to be seen to be supportive of the Government of the day at this momentus time rather than resorting to scoring cheap political points.
From speeches of the NI DUP MLAs, it seems there is support for the deal however they can not be seen to be voting for something that places a border down the Irish Sea (something that, during the DUP conference, Johnson vowed would never happen, and then less than 72 hours later he caved in). To vote for such a border would be totally against what their core electorate would want and what their party constitution states. I think you would agree that peoples elected representatives should vote the way that their electorate would want.
So while there is tacit agreement they cannot be seen to be voting for it.
I fully understand that as as a simplistic political stance. However, if their vote against actually prevented the deal happening, the result would be no deal, which would be worse for all of the the UK including NI. It must be odd voting against something but relying on others to carry it anyway!
It seems that the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Ireland Parties were all critical of the deal plus Labour and the Libdems of course. Fair enough I suppose but if I was, for example, a Labour voter I would want my leader to be seen to be supportive of the Government of the day at this momentus time rather than resorting to scoring cheap political points.
From speeches of the NI DUP MLAs, it seems there is support for the deal however they can not be seen to be voting for something that places a border down the Irish Sea (something that, during the DUP conference, Johnson vowed would never happen, and then less than 72 hours later he caved in). To vote for such a border would be totally against what their core electorate would want and what their party constitution states. I think you would agree that peoples elected representatives should vote the way that their electorate would want.
So while there is tacit agreement they cannot be seen to be voting for it.
I fully understand that as as a simplistic political stance. However, if their vote against actually prevented the deal happening, the result would be no deal, which would be worse for all of the the UK including NI. It must be odd voting against something but relying on others to carry it anyway!
Agreed, we have had far too much negative voting going on with people looking to give some party a two-fingered gesture rather than vote for what they actually want. From what I understand Johnson's clear majority means he has this one in the bag - which allows the smaller parties to be seen to be voting based on how their electorate would want them to vote.
Whether or not no deal would make a difference to NI would depend on where they decided to site the border. I reckon that would still have to be in the Irish Sea, since the UK would then desperately need a deal with the US and Biden has already made it very clear that Johnson will not be allowed to play-loose with the GFA (hence Johnson backing down from his attempted changes to the WA).
I wouldn’t want to be a customs officer in the Irish Sea, rather choppy on a good day.! Bit like the poor sod whose job it is to put Milk bottles out on a Submarine...
I can only agree, lifes miserable under a Labour run council...Semi Joking, as I'm not a true Sandgrounder, I've only lived here 46 years, still an outsider.
West Yorkshire seems to have dodged the bullet, we are still in tier 3 with pubs and restaurants shut, but at least most shops and businesses are still open.
Lancashire, Cumbria, Dorset and even Torridge are all Tier 4 .... but there again who isn't
Torridge has gone from two to three.
So we are set to reopen on Tuesday.
How long for ........ that’s another question.
I don’t think it will be too long before the whole country is in lockdown again.
Although the infection levels are low in my area those in other parts of Cumbria are much higher so we are all dragged into Tier 4. Actually it makes little difference to our lives as the regulations very much the lifestyle we have been following for the past umpteen months. The main difference is I won't be able to get a haircut. Looks like it's back to the Shirley Temple look which pleases SWMBO but drives me mad.
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