Current Affairs

[Kendhni]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eet_v2.pdf

[Kendhni]

In other news the EU is suing Astra Zeneca for not supplying the vaccine they don't actually want. At the same time as it is revealed most of 11m doses due to be sent to the Netherlands won't be used.

Like the UK, the Netherlands has ordered more doses than it requires. In the same vein as your point, the UK will have up to 200million doses that won't be used. The Netherlands has focussed more on the Pfizer vaccine rather than Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine (which they restricted to certain age groups due to an identified risk - other countries (now including the UK) are doing the same). I believe both the UK and Netherlands intend to give oversupply to poorer countries.

The difference is we're not suing anybody for not providing something we don't want.

Nope, after proper due diligence the EMA has approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine (with restrictions) and it is being used. AZ are being sued for breach of contract.

[Kendhni]

Anybody interested in getting out in the waters to welcome Nukumi to this side of the Atlantic?

[Manoverboard]

In the middle of a world pandemic and facing huge economic disruption and internal unrest you would surely think that the EU bureaucrats could find something more productive to do ... but there again perhaps wasting time and money is what they're best at.

ps ... nobody has mentioned that UK PLC is close to completing a trade deal with the land of Oz

[Ray B]

It's good to see more and more countries are now supporting India. A different culture to ours with lack of social distancing, but we and other nations can not stand by while the numbers keep rising.

[Ray B]

I will put on record the Boris flat redecorating. I don't give a toss.

Then perhaps you ought to. It counts as a political donation and these normally come with expectations of something in return.

Otherwise known as bribery.

OK, I will change my mine if you want to offer me a bribe, no problem with that.

[Stephen]

It's good to see more and more countries are now supporting India. A different culture to ours with lack of social distancing, but we and other nations can not stand by while the numbers keep rising.

[barney]

Like the UK, the Netherlands has ordered more doses than it requires. In the same vein as your point, the UK will have up to 200million doses that won't be used. The Netherlands has focussed more on the Pfizer vaccine rather than Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine (which they restricted to certain age groups due to an identified risk - other countries (now including the UK) are doing the same). I believe both the UK and Netherlands intend to give oversupply to poorer countries.

The difference is we're not suing anybody for not providing something we don't want.

Nope, after proper due diligence the EMA has approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine (with restrictions) and it is being used. AZ are being sued for breach of contract.

That will be interesting given that an Italian Mep had published the contract.
I’m not expert on Belgian law but AZ seems pretty confident.

[Frank Manning]

In other news the EU is suing Astra Zeneca for not supplying the vaccine they don't actually want. At the same time as it is revealed most of 11m doses due to be sent to the Netherlands won't be used.

Sadly even though AZ have the moral high ground, and possibly the contractual one too, they cant win in an EU Court in Belgium. It is more about internal politics in Germany and von de Leyen needing to toe the CDU line so that the CDU keep backing her appointment and hence her payroll. They are never going to admit their own shortcomings. Personally if I were the AZ Board I would suspend all investment in the EU.

[towny44]

I will put on record the Boris flat redecorating. I don't give a toss.

Then perhaps you ought to. It counts as a political donation and these normally come with expectations of something in return.

Otherwise known as bribery.

OK, I will change my mine if you want to offer me a bribe, no problem with that.

As a buyer in industry for 30 yrs I enjoyed lots of freebies, but they did not influence any decisions I made when spending my companies money. However the close connection this engendered with the senior staff of our suppliers quite often ensured that I was able to ensure we received priority treatment.
So I perhaps have a very different perspective on the current issues from the holier than thou Keir Starmer.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Like the UK, the Netherlands has ordered more doses than it requires. In the same vein as your point, the UK will have up to 200million doses that won't be used. The Netherlands has focussed more on the Pfizer vaccine rather than Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine (which they restricted to certain age groups due to an identified risk - other countries (now including the UK) are doing the same). I believe both the UK and Netherlands intend to give oversupply to poorer countries.

The difference is we're not suing anybody for not providing something we don't want.

Nope, after proper due diligence the EMA has approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine (with restrictions) and it is being used. AZ are being sued for breach of contract.

Due diligence? You can't be serious. First they won't use it for the over 65s. Then they won't use it for the under 50s. Meanwhile the virus runs rampant. They haven't a clue.

[Kendhni]

The difference is we're not suing anybody for not providing something we don't want.

Nope, after proper due diligence the EMA has approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine (with restrictions) and it is being used. AZ are being sued for breach of contract.

Due diligence? You can't be serious. First they won't use it for the over 65s. Then they won't use it for the under 50s. Meanwhile the virus runs rampant. They haven't a clue.

Better than our own government and the MHRA that totally failed in their due diligence - either that or someone was crassly incompetent or implemented a cover up willing to risk lives in their rush to go to market (although that does seem to have been this governments tactic - allegedly). Fortunately other countries did carry out the due diligence on the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine in an attempt to find out the patterns and those at risk (which explains the moving target) ... that is the due diligence our own government should have insisted on, fortunately now it is done most seem to have settled on the same same conclusion, with the UK following suit.

Carrying out due diligence is something that the UK is failing miserably at the minute - far too much winging it.

[towny44]

Nope, after proper due diligence the EMA has approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine (with restrictions) and it is being used. AZ are being sued for breach of contract.

Due diligence? You can't be serious. First they won't use it for the over 65s. Then they won't use it for the under 50s. Meanwhile the virus runs rampant. They haven't a clue.

Better than our own government and the MHRA that totally failed in their due diligence - either that or someone was crassly incompetent or implemented a cover up willing to risk lives in their rush to go to market (although that does seem to have been this governments tactic - allegedly). Fortunately other countries did carry out the due diligence on the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine in an attempt to find out the patterns and those at risk (which explains the moving target) ... that is the due diligence our own government should have insisted on, fortunately now it is done most seem to have settled on the same same conclusion, with the UK following suit.

Carrying out due diligence is something that the UK is failing miserably at the minute - far too much winging it.

Stop carping Ken or we may be forced to throw you under the Republic's bus.

[Quizzical Bob]

Then perhaps you ought to. It counts as a political donation and these normally come with expectations of something in return.

Otherwise known as bribery.

OK, I will change my mine if you want to offer me a bribe, no problem with that.

As a buyer in industry for 30 yrs I enjoyed lots of freebies, but they did not influence any decisions I made when spending my companies money. However the close connection this engendered with the senior staff of our suppliers quite often ensured that I was able to ensure we received priority treatment.
So I perhaps have a very different perspective on the current issues from the holier than thou Keir Starmer.

These are elected politicians. Business is a different world, although HMRC would be interested in your dealings.

Government bribery is corruption and nothing less. This is not a matter of party politics.

[Manoverboard]

.... This is not a matter of party politics.

I believe that it is and that the allegations of wrong doing are fake news ... just saying

[Kendhni]

Due diligence? You can't be serious. First they won't use it for the over 65s. Then they won't use it for the under 50s. Meanwhile the virus runs rampant. They haven't a clue.

Better than our own government and the MHRA that totally failed in their due diligence - either that or someone was crassly incompetent or implemented a cover up willing to risk lives in their rush to go to market (although that does seem to have been this governments tactic - allegedly). Fortunately other countries did carry out the due diligence on the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine in an attempt to find out the patterns and those at risk (which explains the moving target) ... that is the due diligence our own government should have insisted on, fortunately now it is done most seem to have settled on the same same conclusion, with the UK following suit.

Carrying out due diligence is something that the UK is failing miserably at the minute - far too much winging it.

Stop carping Ken or we may be forced to throw you under the Republic's bus.

Is that more of your 'wisdom' (for want of an antonym).

[Kendhni]

.... This is not a matter of party politics.

I believe that it is and that the allegations of wrong doing are fake news ... just saying

Nope, not fake news, just, as of yet, unexplained. Costs could be as much as £200K - that definitely needs an explanation. The rooms in the apartment above number 11 must be about half the size they were some 20 years ago (given the amount of paper and paint that has been applied to the walls) and the floorboards must be wafer thin (considering the amount of sanding they have received)

[Manoverboard]

.... This is not a matter of party politics.

I believe that it is and that the allegations of wrong doing are fake news ... just saying

Nope, not fake news, just, as of yet, unexplained.

Unsubstantiated news, in my opinion, is fake news and will remain so until proven / ratified.

[towny44]

OK, I will change my mine if you want to offer me a bribe, no problem with that.

As a buyer in industry for 30 yrs I enjoyed lots of freebies, but they did not influence any decisions I made when spending my companies money. However the close connection this engendered with the senior staff of our suppliers quite often ensured that I was able to ensure we received priority treatment.
So I perhaps have a very different perspective on the current issues from the holier than thou Keir Starmer.

These are elected politicians. Business is a different world, although HMRC would be interested in your dealings.

Government bribery is corruption and nothing less. This is not a matter of party politics.

Government is just a smaller version of big business, and if efficient ought to run in a similar way. Freebies to senior officials are very little different, it depends on the recipient as to whether it makes him more likely to make a corrupt decision.

[towny44]

Better than our own government and the MHRA that totally failed in their due diligence - either that or someone was crassly incompetent or implemented a cover up willing to risk lives in their rush to go to market (although that does seem to have been this governments tactic - allegedly). Fortunately other countries did carry out the due diligence on the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine in an attempt to find out the patterns and those at risk (which explains the moving target) ... that is the due diligence our own government should have insisted on, fortunately now it is done most seem to have settled on the same same conclusion, with the UK following suit.

Carrying out due diligence is something that the UK is failing miserably at the minute - far too much winging it.

Stop carping Ken or we may be forced to throw you under the Republic's bus.

Is that more of your 'wisdom' (for want of an antonym).

Not wisdom, but I guess it is foolish of me to expect a justification for your anti UK, Boris, Govt etc, stance on many of your posts.

[barney]

In other news the EU is suing Astra Zeneca for not supplying the vaccine they don't actually want. At the same time as it is revealed most of 11m doses due to be sent to the Netherlands won't be used.

Sadly even though AZ have the moral high ground, and possibly the contractual one too, they cant win in an EU Court in Belgium. It is more about internal politics in Germany and von de Leyen needing to toe the CDU line so that the CDU keep backing her appointment and hence her payroll. They are never going to admit their own shortcomings. Personally if I were the AZ Board I would suspend all investment in the EU.

Maybe so Frank.
Time will tell but below is an extract from a long article published today.

The opinion also raises questions about the naïveté of EU negotiators, who signed a deal that, compared to one the U.K. inked, didn't spell out specific consequences if the drugmaker under-delivered. The contract even has a clause saying the Commission cannot sue AstraZeneca if it doesn't deliver on time — a clause lawyers believe the Commission will seek to invalidate in a Belgian court.

So much for the rule of law.

[Ray B]

So making sure the rules are changed to suit themselves.

[barney]

The difference is we're not suing anybody for not providing something we don't want.

Nope, after proper due diligence the EMA has approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine (with restrictions) and it is being used. AZ are being sued for breach of contract.

Due diligence? You can't be serious. First they won't use it for the over 65s. Then they won't use it for the under 50s. Meanwhile the virus runs rampant. They haven't a clue.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... emand.html

While having over 6,000 patients in intensive care.

As you well know, I'm no fan of the Tories or Johnson in particular, but credit where it's due.
The UK response to vaccine roll out has been outstanding.

[barney]

So making sure the rules are changed to suit themselves.

It's always been thus Ray.

They are a rules based organisation whos members continually breaches it's own rules.

[Quizzical Bob]

As a buyer in industry for 30 yrs I enjoyed lots of freebies, but they did not influence any decisions I made when spending my companies money. However the close connection this engendered with the senior staff of our suppliers quite often ensured that I was able to ensure we received priority treatment.
So I perhaps have a very different perspective on the current issues from the holier than thou Keir Starmer.

These are elected politicians. Business is a different world, although HMRC would be interested in your dealings.

Government bribery is corruption and nothing less. This is not a matter of party politics.

Government is just a smaller version of big business, and if efficient ought to run in a similar way. Freebies to senior officials are very little different, it depends on the recipient as to whether it makes him more likely to make a corrupt decision.

Nope. Definitely not the same. A business uses it own money. Public officials use public money. That means yours and mine and most other people’s.

Government is nothing like big business and should never be treated as such.