Brexit

[oldbluefox]

Good football match on tonight. Don't miss it........................
Ostriches vs Headless Chickens

[screwy]

I hear that because the Sun rises in the east and over the EU first, we will not be allowed access to it..

[Jack Staff]

I hear that because the Sun rises in the east and over the EU first, we will not be allowed access to it..

There's an element of truth in that!
Next year the EU is to review daylight saving time.
Assuming we get a 'soft' Brexit with transition, we will have to adopt what they decide, with no say, as we will have given up our seat at the table.

Taking back control.

[Onelife]

Has he run out of chocolates then?

l did think aboutsending some chocolates Foxy but l didn't want Jack getting the wrong impression of me.

[Happydays]

No good you guys blaming remoaners for the Tories terrible election campaign. They misjudged the whole thing. Even I would prefer a stronger government than we now have. The current situation brexit or no brexit is bad for the country.
I am not going to get into one of these round and round arguments, they will only waste time that I don't have. You keep patting each other on the back and I'll stay off the forum.

As a Moderator I would advise ....

Frank, we would obviously prefer to see you ' remain ' on the Site but views on Brexit will not be based on the preferences of one Member, if you feel that you may be offended by any of the postings then it may be best if you don't read the ' Brexit ' Forum.

Kindly note, in case you missed it, the Mods will meanwhile ensure that Brexit related matters will be confined to the Brexit Forum, any comments posted elsewhere will be deleted.

OK

Well done

[johnds]

So the Civil Contingencies Office is planning for a no deal Brexit. They deal with stuff like floods , disease and other disasters.

This is not a Project Fear drill, this is reality.

Are you all STILL happy about a no deal Brexit?

Gill

It is project fear and you seem to have accepted all of it hook line and sinker.
I also see the emergence of project panic

How on earth is Brexit going to affect rainfall - the prime cause of floods or natural disasters

The EU's present attitude is a reminds me of De Gaulle's "Non Non Non" when we first applied to join the Common Market

So if the only options become Stey or Leave with no deal I'll take the latter thank you.

[Golden Princess]

Does anyone on this thread have a friend, family member, loved one, who has diabetes? Cancer?

[Gill W]

Does anyone on this thread have a friend, family member, loved one, who has diabetes? Cancer?

GP, they probably have, but it’s Project Fear to even think about the stockpiling of medicines, so they’ll just guffaw and scoff at your question.


I have to say, I think the Brexiters’ behaviour on this thread is now truly bizarre. The govt appears to be treating a no deal Brexit as an emergency situation, and the Jolly Brexiter Boys think it’s a big joke.

Let’s hope they’re still laughing in March if there’s a no deal Brexit.

[Onelife]

I have read many posts which say how bad things will get when we leave the EU....this has got me thinking about how things have been in the UK for the past ten years or so.  I think compared with many countries most l believe would say things are ok but not great. Austerity has had a dramatic effect on our public services, most of which have been banging on government doors asking for more funding... not  forthcoming. If we take the state of public services as a yard stick to how things are in this country it leaves me wondering how our government will find the extra money to keep theses services afloat. OK, they could increase  income tax, car tax (roads) this tax, that tax but at the end of the day our country needs to find ways to boost it's economy.


The point l am trying to make ( not very well l know) is that we have been members of the EU for decades but taking our past ten years of membership it could be argued that our economy hasn't benefited greatly from being part of the EU bloc..other than plodding the same old trade routes. Now l ain't the sharpest stick in the pile but my logic tells me that if a economy wants to grow it has to look to where the markets are growing fastest....it ain't the EU bloc for sure. We are still going to trade with the bloc but trading with third world countries has to be the way to go surely?

[Golden Princess]

GillW, Anyone who has friends, family, loved ones who do not become affected by some of the many ramifications of our current situation are going to be lucky in the extreme. Already, many are suffering and it is not going to improve. Much damage has already been done and I doubt many will be laughing come March. Especially if someone they know is affected . It will take years, decades, before any benefit are realised, if any. By then it will be too late for millions.

[Golden Princess]

Onelife, do we not already trade with third world countries? How big are these markets? How fast are they growing?

[Onelife]

GillW, Anyone who has friends, family, loved ones who do not become affected by some of the many ramifications of our current situation are going to be lucky in the extreme. Already, many are suffering and it is not going to improve. Much damage has already been done and I doubt many will be laughing come March. Especially if someone they know is affected . It will take years, decades, before any benefit are realised, if any. By then it will be too late for millions.

With respect Princess...many are suffering now and it can only get worse if we carry on the way we have been going tied to the bed posts of the EU.

Regards

keith

[Gill W]

So the Civil Contingencies Office is planning for a no deal Brexit. They deal with stuff like floods , disease and other disasters.

This is not a Project Fear drill, this is reality.

Are you all STILL happy about a no deal Brexit?

Gill

It is project fear and you seem to have accepted all of it hook line and sinker.
I also see the emergence of project panic

How on earth is Brexit going to affect rainfall - the prime cause of floods or natural disasters

The EU's present attitude is a reminds me of De Gaulle's "Non Non Non" when we first applied to join the Common Market

So if the only options become Stey or Leave with no deal I'll take the latter thank you.

Forgive me for being confused, but who said Brexit was going to affect rainfall?

The Civil Contingencies Secretariat ( the gov't department dealing with empergency planning ) held a two day work shop for no deal Brexit contingency planning. They were set up to deal with things like disease outbreaks, floods and disasters. Now they are planning for Brexit. An official was pictured ( by a camera with a powerful lens) carrying a document entitled 'Operation Yellowhammer), which confirmed this. How is this Project Fear? It is something that has happened.

please don't make assumptions about what I have accepted. I've been asking questions about how we will be ready for Brexit, particularly a no deal Brexit. That's not 'accepting Project Fear hook line and sinker'.

[Jack Staff]

I have read many posts which say how bad things will get when we leave the EU....this has got me thinking about how things have been in the UK for the past ten years or so.  I think compared with many countries most l believe would say things are ok but not great. Austerity has had a dramatic effect on our public services, most of which have been banging on government doors asking for more funding... not  forthcoming. If we take the state of public services as a yard stick to how things are in this country it leaves me wondering how our government will find the extra money to keep theses services afloat. OK, they could increase  income tax, car tax (roads) this tax, that tax but at the end of the day our country needs to find ways to boost it's economy.

This is entirely due to the Conservative government of the last 10 years or so as these things are set by our government and not the EU. They can find £1 billion to keep themselves in power when they want to.
They cut public services, so you can't use that as a yard stick. They also cut benefits making things harder for 'the people'. It's what they do.
They also like to cut taxes.
Labour on the other hand spend on public services and benefits making lives easier for the 'working class'.
To pay for it all they raise taxes.
Normally as public services dwindle, we get fed up and elect Labour for a while, then when we are fed up of paying higher tax we let the Conservatives have a go again. However for the last ten years (or more) we have had the worst collection of politicians on all sides, leading to the current chaos.
Politics is very personal and other members at this point are already preparing to give me a kicking, so I am itching to insert links here. Just for you Keith I shall resist.

The point l am trying to make ( not very well l know) is that we have been members of the EU for decades but taking our past ten years of membership it could be argued that our economy hasn't benefited greatly from being part of the EU bloc..other than plodding the same old trade routes. Now l ain't the sharpest stick in the pile but my logic tells me that if a economy wants to grow it has to look to where the markets are growing fastest....it ain't the EU bloc for sure. We are still going to trade with the bloc but trading with third world countries has to be the way to go surely?

While it could be argued we have not benefited greatly (I disagree), Germany's economy is doing very well. It is not the EU holding us back. True, some third world economies are growing very quickly, but they are growing from nothing and it will be decades before they could help our economy. At the moment we already trade all around the world, with these emerging economies, with trade deals because of our EU membership. Come next March all these deals cease (assuming no transition). We have nothing. Even if we could replicate these deals overnight, we could not negotiate such good terms as these countries have given to a block ten times our size, reality is it will take decades. We will still trade with the bloc but our exports to them will be less competitive and our imports will be more expensive. The same is true for the third world countries unless miracles happen (they won't).

[Onelife]

Onelife, do we not already trade with third world countries? How big are these markets? How fast are they growing?

"Third World" term is also often taken to include newly industrialized countries like Brazil, India and China you can look up yourself what a trade deal with these countries would mean to our country.

Regards

Keith

[Jack Staff]

Onelife, do we not already trade with third world countries? How big are these markets? How fast are they growing?

"Third World" term is also often taken to include newly industrialized countries like Brazil, India and China you can look up yourself what a trade deal with these countries would mean to our country.

Regards

Keith

To replace the ones we already have?

[Gill W]

Onelife, do we not already trade with third world countries? How big are these markets? How fast are they growing?

"Third World" term is also often taken to include newly industrialized countries like Brazil, India and China you can look up yourself what a trade deal with these countries would mean to our country.

Regards

Keith

How long is it going to take to set up all these trade deals?

[Golden Princess]

Keith, I agree "many are suffering now and it can only get worse if we carry on the way we have been going ", but dont see how we can blame the EU when our successive governments have inflicted the current state of affairs on us for their own reasons. I dont feel we are tied to the bed posts of the EU. Our governments and media have just been very good at blaming the EU for numerous things of which the EU are no more responsible than we are as we have had up until now a say and veto and helped form many of the policies and have remained sovereign. Yet it has become so easy and so acceptable to blame someone else.

[Onelife]

I have read many posts which say how bad things will get when we leave the EU....this has got me thinking about how things have been in the UK for the past ten years or so.  I think compared with many countries most l believe would say things are ok but not great. Austerity has had a dramatic effect on our public services, most of which have been banging on government doors asking for more funding... not  forthcoming. If we take the state of public services as a yard stick to how things are in this country it leaves me wondering how our government will find the extra money to keep theses services afloat. OK, they could increase  income tax, car tax (roads) this tax, that tax but at the end of the day our country needs to find ways to boost it's economy.

This is entirely due to the Conservative government of the last 10 years or so as these things are set by our government and not the EU. They can find £1 billion to keep themselves in power when they want to.
They cut public services, so you can't use that as a yard stick. They also cut benefits making things harder for 'the people'. It's what they do.
They also like to cut taxes.
Labour on the other hand spend on public services and benefits making lives easier for the 'working class'.
To pay for it all they raise taxes.
Normally as public services dwindle, we get fed up and elect Labour for a while, then when we are fed up of paying higher tax we let the Conservatives have a go again. However for the last ten years (or more) we have had the worst collection of politicians on all sides, leading to the current chaos.
Politics is very personal and other members at this point are already preparing to give me a kicking, so I am itching to insert links here. Just for you Keith I shall resist.

The point l am trying to make ( not very well l know) is that we have been members of the EU for decades but taking our past ten years of membership it could be argued that our economy hasn't benefited greatly from being part of the EU bloc..other than plodding the same old trade routes. Now l ain't the sharpest stick in the pile but my logic tells me that if a economy wants to grow it has to look to where the markets are growing fastest....it ain't the EU bloc for sure. We are still going to trade with the bloc but trading with third world countries has to be the way to go surely?

While it could be argued we have not benefited greatly (I disagree), Germany's economy is doing very well. It is not the EU holding us back. True, some third world economies are growing very quickly, but they are growing from nothing and it will be decades before they could help our economy. At the moment we already trade all around the world, with these emerging economies, with trade deals because of our EU membership. Come next March all these deals cease (assuming no transition). We have nothing. Even if we could replicate these deals overnight, we could not negotiate such good terms as these countries have given to a block ten times our size, reality is it will take decades. We will still trade with the bloc but our exports to them will be less competitive and our imports will be more expensive. The same is true for the third world countries unless miracles happen (they won't).

I would class myself as a floating voter so have no alegence to any one party but my observations of the Conservative party is that they try and get the economy straight by way of making us live within our means....This of course doesn't apply to the wealthiest in society who tell the government how to do it.

Thank gawd you didn't post your links.....its bedtime.

Sleep well.

Goodnight ladies.

[Onelife]

Onelife, do we not already trade with third world countries? How big are these markets? How fast are they growing?

"Third World" term is also often taken to include newly industrialized countries like Brazil, India and China you can look up yourself what a trade deal with these countries would mean to our country.

Regards

Keith

To replace the ones we already have?

No Jack, to complement them

[Onelife]

Keith, I agree "many are suffering now and it can only get worse if we carry on the way we have been going ", but dont see how we can blame the EU when our successive governments have inflicted the current state of affairs on us for their own reasons. I dont feel we are tied to the bed posts of the EU. Our governments and media have just been very good at blaming the EU for numerous things of which the EU are no more responsible than we are as we have had up until now a say and veto and helped form many of the policies and have remained sovereign. Yet it has become so easy and so acceptable to blame someone else.

Princess....We don't really have a say David Cameron tried and came back with nowt!

We, the UK put 27 proposals on the EU table all but one or two were rejected ( not Brexit related )

Now go to bed l'm sat here in me underpants

[johnds]

Gill

What else other than rainfall is going to cause floods

[Gill W]

Gill

What else other than rainfall is going to cause floods

Why are you talking about this on a Brexit thread?

If I was the sort of person to make assumptions, I’d think you were trying to deflect the point that the Civil Contingencies Secretariat who deal with planning for disasters, including, but not restricted to, flooding, have been invoked to plan for a no deal Brexit.

I know Brexit is faith based, and it must be a threat to Brexiters faith that the body that plans for disasters is involved in planning for a no deal Brexit.

[Manoverboard]

I think we can reasonably assume that virtually every Government and Council Department plus the Utilities and Key Players in the Commercial World will be conducting contingency plans for the main shades of Brexit … they have always done so and have contingency staff for the purpose.

[Jack Staff]

"The Civil Contingencies Secretariat (CCS), created in July 2001, is the department of the British Cabinet Office responsible for emergency planning in the UK. The role of the secretariat is to ensure the United Kingdom’s resilience against disruptive challenge, and to do this by working with others to anticipate, assess, prevent, prepare, respond and recover. Until its creation in 2001, emergency planning in Britain was the responsibility of the Home Office. The CCS also supports the COBRA committee.
When compared to other countries, the UK is not particularly prone to disasters, but in the aftermath of the Y2K bug scare, the fuel protests of 2000, flooding in autumn 2000, and the foot and mouth epidemic of 2001 the UK government felt that the existing emergency management policies and structures were inadequate to deal with natural or man-made disasters, and formed the Civil Contingencies Secretariat in July 2001, located in the Cabinet Office.[2][3][4] Soon after the 9/11 attacks the remit of the CCS was expanded to include mitigating the consequences of a large scale terrorist attack. " - and Brexit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Con ... ecretariat