Brexit

[Golden Princess]

Old blue fox - that sounds great. Tell me, how is it going to happen and who is going to pay for it all? And when?

I am especially interested in hospitals (close by) and treatments and being able to just get to see a GP
Really need better public transport. No railway near by and bus once a day - but only 3 times a week.
Really concerned about social care and the genuinely needy - for obvious reasons (for most people)
And to think I thought these problems were the result of our successive governments! But leave the EU and it is all going to be great! Nice one.

[barney]

Quite right foxy.
After we have left in March, we will become THE major customer of the EU big 6.
The other 21 are somewhat irrelevant in trade terms.

It used to make my blood boil when I walked around Malta seeing all of the Financed By The EU signage everywhere.
Our own services are so much under pressure and our taxes are going towards a lift in Valetta or an Aquarium in Qawra.
When my Brother had a dive school out there, a friend of his had his commercial business premises refurbished with a grant from the Government that came form the EU, because the building was of interest. All he had to do was put the plaque up.
There are literally hundreds of such cases on that small island.

Unfortunately, many Remainers still cannot see that the EU is not a trade organisation but a political alignment.

Had it remained as the EEC, I would have been happy to stay but the way that it is moving, no way Jose.

[barney]

Old blue fox - that sounds great. Tell me, how is it going to happen and who is going to pay for it all? And when?

I am especially interested in hospitals (close by) and treatments and being able to just get to see a GP
Really need better public transport. No railway near by and bus once a day - but only 3 times a week.
Really concerned about social care and the genuinely needy - for obvious reasons (for most people)
And to think I thought these problems were the result of our successive governments! But leave the EU and it is all going to be great! Nice one.

Of course it can Golden Princess.
We can spend 13 billion a year in this country for a start.
Then we can look at another 13 billion that is spent in Foreign Aid
So, coming soon to a hospital near you. An additional 26 billion quid.

The point of leaving is that WE decide how and when our tax money is spent and if we don't like it, we vote them out.
You intention of just keep chucking money into the EU moneypit will see us falling further behind in this country while financing half of Eastern Europe.
Please do a bit of serious research about the EU and it's policies and then see what you think.

This was copied from a Polish dossier entitled Last ten years in the EU. What has changed in Poland

"Thanks to EU funds, Poland has better roads, as well as more sewage treatment plants, modern buses and trams. The Ministry of Infrastructure claims that, thanks to competent investment of EU funds, Poland’s GDP grew by an extra one percentage point annually.
Poland, however, still ranks low for innovation – this year’s report of the European Commission puts it in fourth to last place.
For this reason, money from the EU 2014-2020 budget should, to a greater extent, be spent on raising Poland’s competitiveness than on infrastructure."

It may surprise you to find out that in that ten years, Poland has had almost 500 BILLION Euros from the EU.
Great value for the UK tax payer? I don't think so when we are shutting down services.
Not only have we taken in over a million of their unemployed, we have also contributed massively to rebuilding their country.
I can't remember anyone asking us if that was ok, can you ?

[Jack Staff]

Quite right foxy.
After we have left in March, we will become THE major customer of the EU big 6.
The other 21 are somewhat irrelevant in trade terms.

It used to make my blood boil when I walked around Malta seeing all of the Financed By The EU signage everywhere.
Our own services are so much under pressure and our taxes are going towards a lift in Valetta or an Aquarium in Qawra.
When my Brother had a dive school out there, a friend of his had his commercial business premises refurbished with a grant from the Government that came form the EU, because the building was of interest. All he had to do was put the plaque up.
There are literally hundreds of such cases on that small island.

Unfortunately, many Remainers still cannot see that the EU is not a trade organisation but a political alignment.

Had it remained as the EEC, I would have been happy to stay but the way that it is moving, no way Jose.

It's awful the way the EU hands out funds to areas that might need it. I heard they gave Navtech Radar Limited £265,916 to fund 20% of the "RAMPAWARE" research project and Torridge Training Consultants Ltd was part of the VET Itineraries with a Variety of open Educational Resources enhanced by a multilingual repository project. The EU provided £177,546 for this project as a whole.

[barney]

You are missing the point jack.
It's not their money that they are handing out.
it is contributions from member states.
The EU has no money. Literally.

As you well know, we have a 8 BILLION deficit annually. I'm sure that you understand what a deficit is.
So them giving chicken feed handouts to worthy UK causes sticks in the craw a little bit.
Do you think that we should be grateful that they give a little of our taxpayers money back when spending Billions and Billions elsewhere?

https://www.aquarium.com.mt/
https://www.visitmalta.com/en/upperbarrakkalift
Have a good look at this link, because you paid for it.
UK money well spent? Well, you decide.

[Jack Staff]

You are missing the point jack.
It's not their money that they are handing out.
it is contributions from member states.
The EU has no money. Literally.

As you well know, we have a 8 BILLION deficit annually. I'm sure that you understand what a deficit is.
So them giving chicken feed handouts to worthy UK causes sticks in the craw a little bit.
Do you think that we should be grateful that they give a little of our taxpayers money back when spending Billions and Billions elsewhere?

https://www.aquarium.com.mt/
https://www.visitmalta.com/en/upperbarrakkalift
Have a good look at this link, because you paid for it.
UK money well spent? Well, you decide.

You still don't understand what the EU is.

[barney]

You are missing the point jack.
It's not their money that they are handing out.
it is contributions from member states.
The EU has no money. Literally.

As you well know, we have a 8 BILLION deficit annually. I'm sure that you understand what a deficit is.
So them giving chicken feed handouts to worthy UK causes sticks in the craw a little bit.
Do you think that we should be grateful that they give a little of our taxpayers money back when spending Billions and Billions elsewhere?

https://www.aquarium.com.mt/
https://www.visitmalta.com/en/upperbarrakkalift
Have a good look at this link, because you paid for it.
UK money well spent? Well, you decide.

You still don't understand what the EU is.

Oh! I think I do Jack.
I know how to use Wiki and that is totally explanatory


Most Eurosceptics feel that the UK is different from mainland European countries.
They are worried aboutthe UK losing it's independence and identity.

We are an island race.
We always have been and always will be.
We still think about them and us.
Ask the average British individual if he or she feels European.
You'll get a solid no answer.
That is just a fact of life.

So, asking your Average Joe to buy in to a dream of a United States of Europe is a bit of a stretch.

Most British like Europe and are happy to be involved as partners.
Just look at the Ryder cup at the moment.
6 of the 12 of the Europe team are British.


There is a big difference between liking Europe and being ruled by the EU.

[Jack Staff]

Final deal vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eii3rJqpCCo

[Manoverboard]

Old blue fox - that sounds great. Tell me, how is it going to happen and who is going to pay for it all? And when?

I am especially interested in hospitals (close by) and treatments and being able to just get to see a GP
Really need better public transport. No railway near by and bus once a day - but only 3 times a week.
Really concerned about social care and the genuinely needy - for obvious reasons (for most people)
And to think I thought these problems were the result of our successive governments! But leave the EU and it is all going to be great! Nice one.

Being interested / concerned about a lack of NHS facilities and / or transport infrastructure is fair enough but is more about where you chose to live …. however it is also fair enough to point out that the EU has indirectly funded such items in the rural parts of its ' other ' Member States.

[Jack Staff]

Old blue fox - that sounds great. Tell me, how is it going to happen and who is going to pay for it all? And when?

I am especially interested in hospitals (close by) and treatments and being able to just get to see a GP
Really need better public transport. No railway near by and bus once a day - but only 3 times a week.
Really concerned about social care and the genuinely needy - for obvious reasons (for most people)
And to think I thought these problems were the result of our successive governments! But leave the EU and it is all going to be great! Nice one.

Being interested / concerned about a lack of NHS facilities and / or transport infrastructure is fair enough but is more about where you chose to live ….

A choice now very much restricted because of Brexit.

however it is also fair enough to point out that the EU has indirectly funded such items in the rural parts of its ' other ' Member States.

however it is also fair enough to point out that the EU has indirectly funded such items in the rural parts of Dorset.

[Jack Staff]

"I hope I’m wrong, but I fear this week we’ll see Conservative Party descend into internecine warfare - grotesque self-indulgence at a time of national crisis - and make no mistake a no-deal Brexit would be a crisis the like of which most voters, me included, have not experienced."
Professor Brian Cox

[oldbluefox]

With the money we save from our membership of the EU instead of funding other parts of Europe we will be able to fund our own priorities rather than being told what we can and cannot fund.
We have a very nice shoreline footpath in a village nearby funded by our friends in the EU. I could think of better ways of spending the money.

[Golden Princess]

I dont understand how such EU funding works. How did the EU know that the very nice shoreline footpath needed to be funded? Surely someone must have told them, or asked them for the funds?

I know that with the floods in Somerset several years ago now, that was in national (and international ?) news, the EU offered to send funding, but we refused it. So we must have some say in how any funding is spent.

[screwy]

So what your sort of saying GP is that we are refusing to accept money from the EU that we have already given them.? So we spend that money again.! Why not just not pay the eu any money then we won’t be paying twice...or is it me..

[Manoverboard]

Being interested / concerned about a lack of NHS facilities and / or transport infrastructure is fair enough but is more about where you chose to live ….

A choice now very much restricted because of Brexit.]

There will be NO restrictions about where we choose to live post Beexit within the UK, for those wishing to move to Europe then it will doubtless still be possible if their skills are needed … which if so is how is should be.

however it is also fair enough to point out that the EU has indirectly funded such items in the rural parts of its ' other ' Member States.

however it is also fair enough to point out that the EU has indirectly funded such items in the rural parts of Dorset.
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The EU has funded projects in Dorset that are of no use to the majority of Tax payers … absolutely true. If one were to apply for a cycle path in the middle of nowhere then no problem but try getting provision for something that would benefit the entire community …. no chance.

[Jack Staff]

Being interested / concerned about a lack of NHS facilities and / or transport infrastructure is fair enough but is more about where you chose to live ….

A choice now very much restricted because of Brexit.]

There will be NO restrictions about where we choose to live post Beexit within the UK, for those wishing to move to Europe then it will doubtless still be possible if their skills are needed … which if so is how is should be.

I had the right to live where I wanted. You are taking that right from me.

however it is also fair enough to point out that the EU has indirectly funded such items in the rural parts of its ' other ' Member States.

however it is also fair enough to point out that the EU has indirectly funded such items in the rural parts of Dorset.

The EU has funded projects in Dorset that are of no use to the majority of Tax payers … absolutely true. If one were to apply for a cycle path in the middle of nowhere then no problem but try getting provision for something that would benefit the entire community …. no chance.

Exactly. Because that is the responsibility of OUR government. The EU helps where the local government fails to, whether due to lack of funds, political ideology or just incompetence.

[towny44]

"I hope I’m wrong, but I fear this week we’ll see Conservative Party descend into internecine warfare - grotesque self-indulgence at a time of national crisis - and make no mistake a no-deal Brexit would be a crisis the like of which most voters, me included, have not experienced."
Professor Brian Cox

I may be wrong but Brian Cox has always seemed a rabid socialist to me, so he is hardly likely to have anything good to say about the Conservative party.

[barney]

From Wiki

Political views
Cox has voiced his concerns about Brexit saying he feels it is a "weakening of our interaction with our neighbouring countries" and that "it cannot be the right trajectory".
On 23 June 2018, the People's Vote march was held in London to mark the second anniversary of the referendum to leave the European Union.
Cox tweeted that, "if [a people's vote were] held on known exit terms and leave commanded majority, I'd back it as settled, informed decision. That's my argument for having one.

Seems reasonable to me !
He doesn't appear to be advocating anything specific, just saying that IF there was a second referendum and Leave won again, it would put it to bed once and for all.
Of course he is bright enough to realise that it won't happen.

[Manoverboard]

"Jack Staff" … I had the right to live where I wanted. You are taking that right from me

Not me old chap, yon b-Eurocrats are responsible for that.

Either way ;

There's still plenty of time if you really wish to live in Europe rather than here in the UK.

ps … EU grants re Council projects are applied for because we have to achieve targets determined by the EU, once out we can spend what we like where we like and on what we like.


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[Jack Staff]

"Jack Staff" … I had the right to live where I wanted. You are taking that right from me

Not me old chap, yon b-Eurocrats are responsible for that.

Either way ;

There's still plenty of time if you really wish to live in Europe rather than here in the UK.

ps … EU grants re Council projects are applied for because we have to achieve targets determined by the EU, once out we can spend what we like where we like and on what we like.


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Don't do yourself down young man. Your Brexit vote has ruined the lives of millions, not just spoilt my choices.

You should be very proud when the ex-pats come home wanting housing and healthcare. I'm sure they will be very pleased with you for changing their retirement plans.
And don't forget the kids futures you have protected. Not for them the opportunity to live, love and work in Europe. I'm sure they too will respect you for your decision and the life choices you have made for them.

Take credit for what you have done, don't let the EU take praise for what you will have achieved for all of us.

[oldbluefox]

Sorry Jack but sometimes you do talk a load of claptrap but that just about takes the biscuit for being totally OTT.
Just as one example I do hope our young people hoping to stride out in Europe don't go to Italy, Spain or Greece. They have enough problems of their own with youth employment without adding to the problem. And do you honestly think the barriers will come down to anyone wishing to live and work in Europe if they have something to offer? And you think Spain will be sending all ex pats home thereby damaging their local economies? Oh deary, deary me Jack!!!
If the EU was such a wonderful organisation why didn't everybody vote to remain?

[Jack Staff]

Sorry Jack but sometimes you do talk a load of claptrap but that just about takes the biscuit for being totally OTT.
Just as one example I do hope our young people hoping to stride out in Europe don't go to Italy, Spain or Greece. They have enough problems of their own with youth employment without adding to the problem. And do you honestly think the barriers will come down to anyone wishing to live and work in Europe if they have something to offer? And you think Spain will be sending all ex pats home thereby damaging their local economies? Oh deary, deary me Jack!!!
If the EU was such a wonderful organisation why didn't everybody vote to remain?

They will.

[Manoverboard]

…. but they didn't when they had the opportunity ?

ps ….

Ex-Pats were always going to come home for the free NHS after enjoying the sunshine / avoiding paying taxes to the UK.

Our Grandchildren will enjoy their future in the UK but if mega skilled will go to the USA rather than the failing Eurozone.

Having travelled virtually every inch of Europe and Turkey our choice to leave was wise, albeit not popular with you.

pps …. I am proud that I had the ' experience of life ' over many years that gave me the wisdom to vote to ' Leave '.

[oldbluefox]

But why didn't they vote to remain in the first place? It should have been a no-brainer if the EU is as wonderful as you believe.

[Jack Staff]

But why didn't they vote to remain in the first place? It should have been a no-brainer if the EU is as wonderful as you believe.

Because people were force fed stuff like this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXT23Rd ... e=youtu.be

Can you watch those lies now and still claim "the people" knew what they were voting for? Yes they knew what they were voting for then, but that is not what is going to be delivered, is it?