Brexit

[Jack Staff]

We ( anytime soon ) independent Brits will deffo hang on to and resolutely defend the Falklands … if only for the oil



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There probably won't be Brits any more, because the Scots will be keeping their oil for themselves.

[oldbluefox]

We ( anytime soon ) independent Brits will deffo hang on to and resolutely defend the Falklands … if only for the oil



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There probably won't be Brits any more, because the Scots will be keeping their oil for themselves.

Assuming the Scots have another referendum and decide to split away. The Scottish oil industry at the moment is not in the best of health.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/how-much- ... -1-4613094

[Jack Staff]

We ( anytime soon ) independent Brits will deffo hang on to and resolutely defend the Falklands … if only for the oil



.

There probably won't be Brits any more, because the Scots will be keeping their oil for themselves.

Assuming the Scots have another referendum and decide to split away. The Scottish oil industry at the moment is not in the best of health.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/how-much- ... -1-4613094

At least we are not talking about the Falklands any more. Don't want to be thinking about the damage Brexit is doing to our country now do we?

[Stephen]

Someone talking sense at last........even if it is in German

Angela Merkel had face like a smacked bum while listening.

[Jack Staff]

Someone talking sense at last........even if it is in German

Angela Merkel had face like a smacked bum while listening.

Whilst I find just about everything about the AfD distasteful, there are some valid points made.

And there was us being told the EU was undemocratic and differing voices were not given a hearing...

[towny44]

I think I might have fallen in love with Dr Alice, I don't believe I have heard anything approaching her clear understanding of the main reasons why I wanted to leave, and if she had been in power in Germany I would certainly have voted to remain in her beautiful vision of the EU.

[johnds]

Do you want to be lied to?

That's what got us into this mess in the first place.

That would be the lie that told us that if we dared to vote leave there would have to be an emergency budget within days, would it ?

Let's be real. BOTH sides told lies, untruths exagerations, call it what you will

It is unfortunately called politics

[Manoverboard]

I think I might have fallen in love with Dr Alice, I don't believe I have heard anything approaching her clear understanding of the main reasons why I wanted to leave, and if she had been in power in Germany I would certainly have voted to remain in her beautiful vision of the EU.

At last …. somebody within the EU has got their finger on the pulse as opposed to having it in their ears.

Too little and too late of course and any changes that do come about will inevitably be in the interests of Germany, correctly as they will be footing the bill to make up for the UK shortfall.

[Jack Staff]

Do you want to be lied to?

That's what got us into this mess in the first place.

That would be the lie that told us that if we dared to vote leave there would have to be an emergency budget within days, would it ?

Let's be real. BOTH sides told lies, untruths exagerations, call it what you will

It is unfortunately called politics

In the case of Leave, I and the law of this country call it illegal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

[barney]

If only someone had said something like this might happen....

"Argentina will exploit a no-deal Brexit to 'enhance' its claims to Falklands, says its foreign minister"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/1 ... ds-claims/

Therein lies the problem Jack.
Most of your posts have been about what might happen or what could happen.
Most of my posts are based on fact.
That is, after the event
What actually HAS happened.

So, let's examine what has happened.
The pound has fallen against the dollar and euro
That is an undeniable fact.
A few major corporations have moved a few subsiduary jobs to the continent in advance of us leaving.
That is another undeniable fact.

Then ........ nope, thats' pretty much it so far.

so let's examine what hasn't happened.

Well pretty much everything that the Government of the day, the Bank of England, the CBI, the IMF ... and so on and so on ... said would happen after a vote to leave.

So, you must see why so many cannot get over excited about Project Fear 2

To be fair Jack, anything COULD happen.

I'm going on a cruise in a fortnight.
The ship COULD blooming well sink.
Will it?
Well, I doubt it, so I'll go happily on the understanding that there is a risk to everything.

[Manoverboard]

The Remainer proclamations were perhaps legal but their tactics were underhand, scary at times and often akin to bullying, they failed completely to show due respect to Joe Public ... that to me is wholly unacceptable; bending the truth and exaggeration are par for the course and always have been, that is called Politics !!

[johnds]

Jack
As a mater of interest and concern, what are your plans for April 2019?
How do you plan to fill your days?
Campaigning to rejoin the EU?
Any walks planned ?

[barney]

The Remainer proclamations were perhaps legal but their tactics were underhand, scary at times and often akin to bullying, they failed completely to show due respect to Joe Public ... that to me is wholly unacceptable; bending the truth and exaggeration are par for the course and always have been, that is called Politics !!

Unfortunately most of them lie Moby

All Labour and Tory MPs stood on a manifesto mandate of respecting the decision of the vote and then some immediately afterwards, starting plotting Brexit's downfall.

Chukka Umuna stood for Labour
Anna Soubry stood for Conservative

Neither had any intention of honouring the mandate on which they stood.

[Gill W]

Jack
As a mater of interest and concern, what are your plans for April 2019?
How do you plan to fill your days?
Campaigning to rejoin the EU?
Any walks planned ?

Sitting back and saying ' I told you so'?

[Jack Staff]

Still think everything is OK about Brexit?

https://www.parliament.uk/business/comm ... -scrutiny/

[Stephen]

Have you ever thought about going on Mastermind Jack........specialist subject 'Doom and Gloom'

[Jack Staff]

Have you ever thought about going on Mastermind Jack........specialist subject 'Doom and Gloom'

Have you ever thought that it is only "Doom and Gloom" to a Brexiter?

As Brexit is not going to happen, I'm quite happy thanks!

[johnds]

As Brexit is not going to happen, I'm quite happy thanks!

Jack
I've asked this before without response
If you are so convinced of this why are you bothering to waste your time posting every bit of negtaive news that you can find on here in what you must realise is a fruitless atempt to get anyone to change their minds.

[johnds]

Sitting back and saying ' I told you so'?

Gill

With respect it seems to me that you entered panic mode about Brexit 3 or 4 months ago and believe all of the negative propaganda that abounds.

Yes Brexit is proving difficult
It is proving difficult because of the intransigence of many factions.
In no particular order :-
Te Labour party by treating the whole thing as a political game in order to try to overthow the government
The right wing of the Conservative party ( Boris etc) by insisting in trying to achieve the unachievable
The left wing of the Conservative party (Soubery, Grieve etc) by refusing to accept in any way the democratic decion of the populous whilst standing on a manifesto that accepted that decision and promised to implement it.
Teresa May who threw away a General election and now finds herself unable to withdraw the whip from either side and is unable to rid herself of a lack lustre chancellor
The EU in general and Mr Barnier in particular whose approach has been the familiar one of non negotiation and making things so difficult in the belief that they would persuade us to give up on Brexit as they have done before.

In so dong they underestimate the resilience of the British people

Just because Brexit is difficult is no reason to give in and give it up.

If in the dark days of 1942 my country had adopted that approach they would have invited Herr Hitler to cross the chanel and handed him the keys.

We didn't do that and to coin an overused phrase "kept calm and carried on"

In 1967 I voted for the country to join a free trade area. When that changed via Maastricht etc into a full blown poilitiacl union the Govenment of the day did not dare to give people a vote bec\use they knew they would lose. Repeat.

Now the peole have expressed their view and we should get on with it, warts and all, because the prize is a free and independent country which will be able to make its own way in the world.

[Onelife]

Sitting back and saying ' I told you so'?

Gill

With respect it seems to me that you entered panic mode about Brexit 3 or 4 months ago and believe all of the negative propaganda that abounds.

Yes Brexit is proving difficult
It is proving difficult because of the intransigence of many factions.
In no particular order :-
Te Labour party by treating the whole thing as a political game in order to try to overthow the government
The right wing of the Conservative party ( Boris etc) by insisting in trying to achieve the unachievable
The left wing of the Conservative party (Soubery, Grieve etc) by refusing to accept in any way the democratic decion of the populous whilst standing on a manifesto that accepted that decision and promised to implement it.
Teresa May who threw away a General election and now finds herself unable to withdraw the whip from either side and is unable to rid herself of a lack lustre chancellor
The EU in general and Mr Barnier in particular whose approach has been the familiar one of non negotiation and making things so difficult in the belief that they would persuade us to give up on Brexit as they have done before.

In so dong they underestimate the resilience of the British people

Just because Brexit is difficult is no reason to give in and give it up.

If in the dark days of 1942 my country had adopted that approach they would have invited Herr Hitler to cross the chanel and handed him the keys.

We didn't do that and to coin an overused phrase "kept calm and carried on"

In 1967 I voted for the country to join a free trade area. When that changed via Maastricht etc into a full blown poilitiacl union the Govenment of the day did not dare to give people a vote bec\use they knew they would lose. Repeat.

Now the peole have expressed their view and we should get on with it, warts and all, because the prize is a free and independent country which will be able to make its own way in the world.

And so say all of us.. give or take a few

[Ray Scully]

Now the people have expressed their view and we should get on with it, warts and all because the prize is a free and independent country which will be able to make its own way in the world.
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For the many or just a few????

[johnds]

For the many or just a few????

????

[Jack Staff]

Sitting back and saying ' I told you so'?

Gill

With respect it seems to me that you entered panic mode about Brexit 3 or 4 months ago and believe all of the negative propaganda that abounds.

Yes Brexit is proving difficult
It is proving difficult because of the intransigence of many factions.
In no particular order :-
Te Labour party by treating the whole thing as a political game in order to try to overthow the government
The right wing of the Conservative party ( Boris etc) by insisting in trying to achieve the unachievable
The left wing of the Conservative party (Soubery, Grieve etc) by refusing to accept in any way the democratic decion of the populous whilst standing on a manifesto that accepted that decision and promised to implement it.
Teresa May who threw away a General election and now finds herself unable to withdraw the whip from either side and is unable to rid herself of a lack lustre chancellor
The EU in general and Mr Barnier in particular whose approach has been the familiar one of non negotiation and making things so difficult in the belief that they would persuade us to give up on Brexit as they have done before.

Brexit is proving difficult because our Prime Ministers triggered A50 when she did, without getting her ducks in row beforehand.
Sorting out exactly what we were trying to achieve before we started was essential to the success of Brexit, she didn't. Fail to plan and all that.
She always knew how the EU would react as it is a rules based club, rules that in the most part (esp. A50) we wrote.
The reason she triggered when she did was the EU tax avoidance directive. Funny that that comes into force in April 2019 eh? She has to keep her multi-billionaire pay masters on side. You have been misled if you believe Brexit is for your benefit.

In so dong they underestimate the resilience of the British people

Just because Brexit is difficult is no reason to give in and give it up.

Brexit is not difficult, we've done the hard bit. She wrote a letter. That's it done.
The reality is however the repercussions of that letter are not what was promised by Farage/Johnson et al.

If in the dark days of 1942 my country had adopted that approach they would have invited Herr Hitler to cross the chanel and handed him the keys.

You didn't do history at school then?
In the dark days of 1942 we whipped the Boschs' backside at El Alamein, you know "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end ..."

I think you might be referring to 1940, when Churchill offered union with France, to turn us into one country.

We didn't do that and to coin an overused phrase "kept calm and carried on"

That was a phrase to be used after the German occupation of our country. So we didn't do that. We fought on, in our "darkest hour", "We shall never surrender" to Brexit.

In 1967 I voted for the country to join a free trade area. When that changed via Maastricht etc into a full blown poilitiacl union the Govenment of the day did not dare to give people a vote bec\use they knew they would lose. Repeat.

Weren't you a bit lonely in the polling both? At that time Charles de Gaulle was adamant we would not be joining the party.

Now the peole have expressed their view and we should get on with it, warts and all, because the prize is a free and independent country which will be able to make its own way in the world.

Please stop with "the people" propaganda, I might be forced to quote the figures yet again and we are all aware how forum members are fed up with being reminded how close that vote actually was.

[Jack Staff]

As Brexit is not going to happen, I'm quite happy thanks!

Jack
I've asked this before without response
If you are so convinced of this why are you bothering to waste your time posting every bit of negtaive news that you can find on here in what you must realise is a fruitless atempt to get anyone to change their minds.

Because you need to know just how bad Brexit would be.

[johnds]

As Brexit is not going to happen, I'm quite happy thanks!

Jack
I've asked this before without response
If you are so convinced of this why are you bothering to waste your time posting every bit of negtaive news that you can find on here in what you must realise is a fruitless atempt to get anyone to change their minds.

Because you need to know just how bad Brexit would be.

Well I'm not sure i trust you to educate me