Brexit

[Jack Staff]

According to Brexiters the UK was the land of milk and honey before we voted to join.

We never did vote to join the EU. We voted to join the Common Market. It is governments who have rubber stamped the transitions through successive treatiea without further referenda.

Because plebiscites are the tool of despots and failed politicians and have no place in the British Parliamentary constitution.

The mess this last one has caused, I am afraid, can only be corrected by another.

Are those not contradictory statements Jack?

Er, yes. That is why I am not happy about the situation Brexiters have created. You did read my post?

[Manoverboard]

those who have left this Topic have done so because of the never ending circles rather than for any other reason.

Regards MobyMod

How you know that? I know of at least one long standing member of the forum who'd had enough of it and hasn't been seen on the forum for a long time now.

If you care to read through the 2,604 >> postings you will spot a number who have made this decision openly … other Members do not like what they perceive to be ' argument ' even when it is intended to be ' discussion '. The subject matter means that passionate presentation of one's point of view will be evident and such expression is surely called ' Free Speech ' and should be countered by debate rather than suppression.

[Jack Staff]

Dear keefy,

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Stop possible second referendum on E.U. membership”.
...
Government responded:
...
The Government is clear that we will respect the result of the 2016 referendum, and that we will not hold a second referendum.

June 30 2016 "There should be no general election until 2020"
September 4 2016 “I’m not going to be calling a snap election. "
October 1 2016 "Theresa May has ruled out the possibility of a general election before 2020 due to the risk of "instability" posed by a snap vote."
March 7 2017 "There is no change in our position on an early general election. There is not going to be a general election.”
April 18 2017 Teresa May calls a general election.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Betcha wrong again, as you have been all the way along.

No wealthy country would ever vote to join the EU.

According to Brexiters the UK was the land of milk and honey before we voted to join.

We never did vote to join the EU. We voted to join the Common Market. It is governments who have rubber stamped the transitions through successive treatiea without further referenda.

Because plebiscites are the tool of despots and failed politicians and have no place in the British Parliamentary constitution.

The mess this last one has caused, I am afraid, can only be corrected by another.

Which does not alter my point. We never voted to join the EU.

[Jack Staff]

According to Brexiters the UK was the land of milk and honey before we voted to join.

We never did vote to join the EU. We voted to join the Common Market. It is governments who have rubber stamped the transitions through successive treatiea without further referenda.

Because plebiscites are the tool of despots and failed politicians and have no place in the British Parliamentary constitution.

The mess this last one has caused, I am afraid, can only be corrected by another.

Which does not alter my point. We never voted to join the EU.

We never voted to join the Common Market either.
We joined in 1973. In 1975 we had a 'are you sure' vote to stay in, once we knew the facts of what we had gotten into. If it worked then, it can work now. Then referendums should be banned in Britain.
Remind me, what actually was your point?

[towny44]

We never did vote to join the EU. We voted to join the Common Market. It is governments who have rubber stamped the transitions through successive treatiea without further referenda.

Because plebiscites are the tool of despots and failed politicians and have no place in the British Parliamentary constitution.

The mess this last one has caused, I am afraid, can only be corrected by another.

Which does not alter my point. We never voted to join the EU.

We never voted to join the Common Market either.
We joined in 1973. In 1975 we had a 'are you sure' vote to stay in, once we knew the facts of what we had gotten into. If it worked then, it can work now. Then referendums should be banned in Britain.
Remind me, what actually was your point?

I am not really surprised at your lack of understanding Jack, it seems many remainers have great difficulty accepting the referendum result.

[Jack Staff]

Because plebiscites are the tool of despots and failed politicians and have no place in the British Parliamentary constitution.

The mess this last one has caused, I am afraid, can only be corrected by another.

Which does not alter my point. We never voted to join the EU.

We never voted to join the Common Market either.
We joined in 1973. In 1975 we had a 'are you sure' vote to stay in, once we knew the facts of what we had gotten into. If it worked then, it can work now. Then referendums should be banned in Britain.
Remind me, what actually was your point?

I am not really surprised at your lack of understanding Jack, it seems many remainers have great difficulty accepting the referendum result.

I certainly don't understand you, or how you could make such a comment. Perhaps you could explain it for me.

[Manoverboard]

Circles … round … in … going

[Jack Staff]

Circles … round … in … going

How so? I think I made a very valid point that we never voted to join anything. That it is the governments job to govern.
That referendums are not (really) part of British politics, though have been used in the past to check with the British electorate without resorting to a GE.
True, John did try to belittle me and change the subject, but he always does that.

[towny44]

Circles … round … in … going

How so? I think I made a very valid point that we never voted to join anything. That it is the governments job to govern.
That referendums are not (really) part of British politics, though have been used in the past to check with the British electorate without resorting to a GE.
True, John did try to belittle me and change the subject, but he always does that.

Jack I could never belittle you more than you manage to do yourself.
Yes we all know we never voted to join the EEC but we did vote to remain in it, then after it changed we voted to leave the EU, do you remember that?

[Jack Staff]

Circles … round … in … going

How so? I think I made a very valid point that we never voted to join anything. That it is the governments job to govern.
That referendums are not (really) part of British politics, though have been used in the past to check with the British electorate without resorting to a GE.
True, John did try to belittle me and change the subject, but he always does that.

Jack I could never belittle you more than you manage to do yourself.
Yes we all know we never voted to join the EEC but we did vote to remain in it, then after it changed we voted to leave the EU, do you remember that?

So a vote is not final. Thank you for explaining that to me.
I've changed my mind, Manoverboard was right.

[oldbluefox]

Roll on 29th March 2019.

[Jack Staff]

Oh dear, Arron Banks has been dumped off Question Time. Even the BBC realising what this man represents?

[towny44]

Circles … round … in … going

How so? I think I made a very valid point that we never voted to join anything. That it is the governments job to govern.
That referendums are not (really) part of British politics, though have been used in the past to check with the British electorate without resorting to a GE.
True, John did try to belittle me and change the subject, but he always does that.

Jack I could never belittle you more than you manage to do yourself.
Yes we all know we never voted to join the EEC but we did vote to remain in it, then after it changed we voted to leave the EU, do you remember that?

So a vote is not final. Thank you for explaining that to me.
I've changed my mind, Manoverboard was right.

Yes there could be another vote, if the EU is deemed to have changed sufficiently to be more attractive to the UK voters, and of course sufficient time has elapsed since the last referendum, which will be about 40 years if we take account of the last one.

[Jack Staff]

Roll on 29th March 2019.

27th November 2018 might be fun,

[Onelife]

Dear keefy,

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Stop possible second referendum on E.U. membership”.
...
Government responded:
...
The Government is clear that we will respect the result of the 2016 referendum, and that we will not hold a second referendum.

June 30 2016 "There should be no general election until 2020"
September 4 2016 “I’m not going to be calling a snap election. "
October 1 2016 "Theresa May has ruled out the possibility of a general election before 2020 due to the risk of "instability" posed by a snap vote."
March 7 2017 "There is no change in our position on an early general election. There is not going to be a general election.”
April 18 2017 Teresa May calls a general election.

Hi Jack,

She was true to her word until she was badly advised in calling a snap election. The fact that she has been compromised by that decision has made her leadership difficult but she has imo done a fantastic job in what has been unprecedented times for this country.

I don't think any of us, both leave and remain (including our political representatives) could have forseen how obstructive the EU elite were going to be, an institution that proclaims to be democratic but in reality is far from it.

While you are here....

Perhaps you could ask your facecloth friend what they will do when their eyewatering £8,600 per month salary + £4,400 expences.... golden goose has died ?
Actually Jack, don't bother, l think we all know what they will do.

Regards

Keith

[Jack Staff]

Hi Jack,

She was true to her word until she was badly advised in calling a snap election. The fact that she has been compromised by that decision has made her leadership difficult but she has imo done a fantastic job in what has been unprecedented times for this country.

I don't think any of us, both leave and remain (including our political representatives) could have forseen how obstructive the EU elite were going to be, an institution that proclaims to be democratic but in reality is far from it.

It is democratic within previously (democratically) agreed rules.

The club will not break it's own rules ("obstructive the EU elite") just to give us what we think we want (at the moment, it might be something else tomorrow).

While you are here....

Perhaps you could ask your facecloth friend what they will do when their eyewatering £8,600 per month salary + £4,400 expences.... golden goose has died ?
Actually Jack, don't bother, l think we all know what they will do.

Regards

Keith

The final take-home pay for British MEPs varies from month to month based on the exchange rate. At the moment, it’s roughly £3900. This amount was slightly less than a British MP’s salary when it was agreed, but it fluctuates depending on the strength of the pound against the euro. When the pound is weak, MEPs end up earning slightly more than their Westminster counterparts. When it’s strong, they earn less. www.richardcorbett.org.uk/transparency/salary-expenses/

[Onelife]

You and your links Jack ..how about finfing one about their 90k+ golden goose leaving present.

The difference being Jack.....when l and most working people come back from work we are too knackered to take on second high earning jobs like wot MEPS do......

And l certainly didn't get coffee, lunch, afternoon tea and dinner thrown in for nowt either.

[Jack Staff]

You and your links Jack ..how about finfing one about their 90k+ golden goose leaving present.

Don't think I'll bother as you do not like links. Is that because it proves what I say is correct and why you don't provide any? ("eyewatering £8,600 per month salary")

The difference being Jack.....when l and most working people come back from work we are too knackered to take on second high earning jobs like wot MEPS do......

If you had read that link I provided you would have seen
"As a full-time MEP, I have no other source of income, except some small royalties from my published books. You can see my full declaration of financial interests on the European Parliament website (pdf), along with every other MEP’s declaration."

And l certainly didn't get coffee, lunch, afternoon tea and dinner thrown in for nowt either.

You were in the wrong job then. I certainly got all that (excepting dinner).

[barney]

"You were in the wrong job then. I certainly got all that (excepting dinner)."

I worked for HMG as an analyst for many years and got nothing like that.
I did get subsidised train travel in but we had to submit receipts for everything.
Every underground journey. Every taxi ride.
No receipt, no reimbursement.
And if you were late submitting due to workload, you had to wait an additional month.
That didn't do a lot for morale, as you can imagine.

[Manoverboard]

…. And l certainly didn't get coffee, lunch, afternoon tea and dinner thrown in for nowt either.

Really !!!

Why didn't you change your job ?

[Onelife]

[quote=Onelife post_id=238906

Hi Jack......l have read many links on this forum, most of which counteract each other so l now rarely bother reading any of them....l did, however, come across this one which you might like to read to have while enjoying your afternoon tea....just make sure you have a sick bag ready when you read it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -millions/

Keith

[Onelife]

…. And l certainly didn't get coffee, lunch, afternoon tea and dinner thrown in for nowt either.

Really !!!

Why didn't you change your job ?

Putting it simply Mob........back then l was as thick as l am now and the only jobs availible to me were ones where you were lucky if they supplied toilet paper let alone freebie meals

[Manoverboard]

Ah, back then I did get a free dinner but had to eat it at 03:00 in the morning

[oldbluefox]

…. And l certainly didn't get coffee, lunch, afternoon tea and dinner thrown in for nowt either.

Really !!!

Why didn't you change your job ?

Putting it simply Mob........back then l was as thick as l am now and the only jobs availible to me were ones where you were lucky if they supplied toilet paper let alone freebie meals

You should have climbed aboard the EU gravy train.