Brexit

[david63]

I am somewhat amazed by how many politicians, and others, who have not seen the document and therefore do not know its contents are dismissing it as not acceptable.

Has there been a new batch of crystal balls been made available????

[screwy]

My thoughts too but if it’s anything like they’re saying it’s shambolic.

[Stephen]

I suspect the EU will be pulling our purse strings and dishing out it's orders for a few more years yet.

[Onelife]

Theresa May will be making an announcement after cabinet meeting.

[Jack Staff]

Senior tory tells me Brexiteer anger so high that seems likely there will be a call for no confidence vote tomorrow - letters going in -
{Laura Kuenssberg}

[Gill W]

So the cabinet agreed it, she didn't say it was unanimous though.

We still don't know what the deal is, but May says it's the best deal available. Although that's not true, we have the best deal now!

She also says it's either this, no deal or no Brexit at all. That's obviously to try and get Brexiters onside, but also encourages Remainers to think it's possible to stop it!

Now we wait to see what the deal is...... And will parliament ever agree it.

[Jack Staff]

Now we wait to see what the deal is...... And will parliament ever agree it.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/b ... ment_0.pdf

Provided for info. Personally, I'm not going to bother as it will probably be dead before I finish reading it!

[Gill W]

I'm not reading it either, relying on news covering and Twitter to inform me.

However, U.K. Wide customs area, with NI in single market.

If we can't extricate ourselves in the transition period, we could be tied to the EU indefinitely, with no say how things are run.

It makes leaving seem pointless.

The whole idea was to 'regain control' of what we had never actually lost.

But now we've lost control of what we've got.

I can't see the Brexiters being happy about this, but none have commented yet.

[towny44]

I'm not reading it either, relying on news covering and Twitter to inform me.

However, U.K. Wide customs area, with NI in single market.

If we can't extricate ourselves in the transition period, we could be tied to the EU indefinitely, with no say how things are run.

It makes leaving seem pointless.

The whole idea was to 'regain control' of what we had never actually lost.

But now we've lost control of what we've got.

I can't see the Brexiters being happy about this, but none have commented yet.

Since it's still a work in progress any comments would be pure speculation, just as your Twitter friends comments are speculation. However if May manages to get it through parliament then, it depends what sort of trade deal can be negotiated as to whether the backstop will ever be needed. If not then in Jan 2021 we could find ourselves with a good trading relationship with the EU and free to organise new deals around the world.
I realise you and Jack will ridicule this idea, just as you rubbished the possibility of May agreeing an exit deal, time will tell who was right.

[Jack Staff]

Euro-enthusiasts are told "Vote for this deal or there'll be be no deal".
Eurosceptics are told: "Vote for this deal or there'll be no Brexit".
Plainly both assertions can't be true.
In reality, neither of them is.

{Daniel Hannan}

[Gill W]

Raab resigns.

This thread is eerily quiet, considering the events in the last 24/48 hours.

Where have the Jolly Boys gone?

[screwy]

We’re still here,waiting to leave without a deal,that’s got to be better than the crock of shite May agreed.

[screwy]

We’re still here,waiting to leave without a deal,that’s got to be better than the crock of sh* the May agreed.

[oldbluefox]

Raab resigns.

This thread is eerily quiet, considering the events in the last 24/48 hours.

Where have the Jolly Boys gone?

Don't blame him. How many Brexit secretaries is that she has seen off? How long can TM survive?

Jolly Boys? Who are they?

[david63]

Raab resigns.

Am I missing something here - wasn't he the one one who negotiated the deal?

[Manoverboard]

Far too early for gloating Gill …. Oh, yes you were …. kindly note that this is a DRAFT document.

The Euro negotiators will note the resignations and that Labour haven't got the balls to support our PM. They will therefore make adjustments as a no deal is the worst scenario for them.

Remember that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

This proposal will be gone through in fine detail both here and sur la continent, it will bounce back n forth until we get what we want, otherwise we leave without a deal …. seemples.

[Onelife]

Hi Gill,

I don't think anyone should be feeling jolly this morning.

I feeling sorry because a potentially 'great prime minister' is now looking very vulnerable,after what was obviously a bruising cabinet meeting yesterday.

I'll make further comment latter when things become clearer.

[Ranchi]

Going back to the car dealer analogy; we now have an agreement to sell our car (leave the EU) but no idea what the replacement model will be or how much it will cost or even if it will be EU6 compliant.
I know many people use We Buy Any Car or sell their homes before looking for a replacement but in this case the strategy is a little unnerving.

[Jack Staff]

Far too early for gloating Gill …. Oh, yes you were …. kindly note that this is a DRAFT document.

The Euro negotiators will note the resignations and that Labour haven't got the balls to support our PM. They will therefore make adjustments as a no deal is the worst scenario for them.

Remember that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

This proposal will be gone through in fine detail both here and sur la continent, it will bounce back n forth until we get what we want, otherwise we leave without a deal …. seemples.

Did you miss the bit in TM's speech about "no Brexit"? First time she has said that.

[Gill W]

Raab resigns.

This thread is eerily quiet, considering the events in the last 24/48 hours.

Where have the Jolly Boys gone?

Jolly Boys? Who are they?

The Jolly Boys of Brexit is how I've thought of you, and the rest of the Brexiters on this forum. Running around for the last three years having great fun, all supporting each other, and trying to put down the small group of Remainers that are willing to speak up.

[Gill W]

Going back to the car dealer analogy; we now have an agreement to sell our car (leave the EU) but no idea what the replacement model will be or how much it will cost or even if it will be EU6 compliant.
I know many people use We Buy Any Car or sell their homes before looking for a replacement but in this case the strategy is a little unnerving.

Everything about Brexit is unnerving!

[Jack Staff]

Raab’s resignation marks the end of PMs Withdrawal Agreement.
This is v serious the PM will clearly be considering her position.
My own view is that we need a Govt of National Unity and we need it now.
Anna Soubry MP

... and McVey has gone too!

[Gill W]

Far too early for gloating Gill …. Oh, yes you were …. kindly note that this is a DRAFT document.

The Euro negotiators will note the resignations and that Labour haven't got the balls to support our PM. They will therefore make adjustments as a no deal is the worst scenario for them.

Remember that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

This proposal will be gone through in fine detail both here and sur la continent, it will bounce back n forth until we get what we want, otherwise we leave without a deal …. seemples.

No I'm not gloating, I was wondering why everybody was so quiet.

To be honest I'm still wondering, as none of the usual suspects seem willing to give any real opinion.

[Gill W]

Raab’s resignation marks the end of PMs Withdrawal Agreement.
This is v serious the PM will clearly be considering her position.
My own view is that we need a Govt of National Unity and we need it now.
Anna Soubry MP

... and McVey has gone too!

McVeys gone too?

I'm going out for a few hours - I wonder how many more will go before I return!

[Gill W]

Raab resigns.

Am I missing something here - wasn't he the one one who negotiated the deal?

I think part of it is that he felt sidelined, because Olly Robbins was doing the negotiating!