Brexit

[Jack Staff]

Raab’s resignation marks the end of PMs Withdrawal Agreement.
This is v serious the PM will clearly be considering her position.
My own view is that we need a Govt of National Unity and we need it now.
Anna Soubry MP

... and McVey has gone too!

McVeys gone too?

I'm going out for a few hours - I wonder how many more will go before I return!

It's one an hour!

[oldbluefox]

Far too early for gloating Gill …. Oh, yes you were …. kindly note that this is a DRAFT document.

The Euro negotiators will note the resignations and that Labour haven't got the balls to support our PM. They will therefore make adjustments as a no deal is the worst scenario for them.

Remember that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

This proposal will be gone through in fine detail both here and sur la continent, it will bounce back n forth until we get what we want, otherwise we leave without a deal …. seemples.

No I'm not gloating, I was wondering why everybody was so quiet.

To be honest I'm still wondering, as none of the usual suspects seem willing to give any real opinion.

You seem to get upset when we do.

[oldbluefox]

Raab resigns.

Am I missing something here - wasn't he the one one who negotiated the deal?

I think part of it is that he felt sidelined, because Olly Robbins was doing the negotiating!

I think that has been the problem throughout.

[Jack Staff]

Just these five so far...
- Vara - Raab - McVey - Braverman - Trevelyan

[Jack Staff]

HUGE cheer in the House when May said 'or we can risk no Brexit at all'.

[Stephen]

My right honourable friends..........what a co*ck up.

Looks like TM is flogging a dead horse.

[Onelife]

Hi Gill,

l've just got back from the hospital and now l'm going out for lunch but l will respond latter.

what l can say is that no one should be jolly today no matter which camp you are from.......l just hope Theresa can hold on in there because there is no credible PM in the waiting.

[Jack Staff]

Gove has been offered Brexit Sec.
He is still to decide to accept or resign.

Interesting times.

[Manoverboard]

I listened to TM defending the DRAFT report this morning, the House were not exactly supportive but many did recognise her efforts.

JC delivered his usual blistering but somewhat inaccurate response … well done

Other Members kept harping on about having another vote, no way Jose. A Scottish Member complained that Ireland got a large mention but that Scotland did not, he was affronted but sat down with his tail between his legs when TM reminded him that unlike Northern Ireland Scotland was in the UK and did not have an EU border adjacent to it.

Although treading a lonely path I sort of felt that she was not actually a million miles away from delivering what the ' people ' voted for in the referendum … mainly ;

* Keeping our existing Trade Deals with the EU but also being able to secure Trade Deals elsewhere in the World.

* Ending the involvement of the Euro courts in UK affairs, bar NI initially.

* Being able to police our borders and control immigration as we see fit.

* Not being tied to the Euro schemes regarding Agriculture and / or Fisheries.

* Maintaining existing levels of co-operation regarding Crime and Security matters.

No doubt I have overlooked something but these were, I think, the key reasons for the vote to leave.

ps … TM also said that we are NOT making any plans for the ' No Brexit ' option bring suggested.



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[Jack Staff]

Boris Johnson has just arrived at ERG meeting - feels very much like this is on and letters from Brexiteers about to go in en masse
{Laura Kuenssberg}

[Jack Staff]

May is going to walk out of this grilling in Parliament to hear that the ERG are banging tables because Jacob Rees-Mogg has handed in his letter calling for a no-confidence vote.

Not only is her deal completely dead, sounds like her leadership is in tatters too.

{Shehab Khan}

[david63]

All this talk of a "no confidence" vote in TM could be a contrived political manoeuvre. If there is a vote and she wins then it would seem almost certain that the Parliamentary Conservative Party would back the deal.

Not only that but, at this point in time, who would take on the "poisoned chalice"?

[Jack Staff]

All this talk of a "no confidence" vote in TM could be a contrived political manoeuvre. If there is a vote and she wins then it would seem almost certain that the Parliamentary Conservative Party would back the deal.

Not only that but, at this point in time, who would take on the "poisoned chalice"?

Yes, if they try and fail, she is safe for a year.

[Jack Staff]

Gove has turned down Brexit Sec. job.
I wonder if he has another position in mind....

[towny44]

Not much point in commenting about the current controversy until there is something concrete to comment on. Hopeful!y in a day or two we will know if TM is staying or going and only then will it worth me giving you the benefit of my opinion on the current deal.

[Onelife]

I listened to TM defending the DRAFT report this morning, the House were not exactly supportive but many did recognise her efforts.

JC delivered his usual blistering but somewhat inaccurate response … well done

Other Members kept harping on about having another vote, no way Jose. A Scottish Member complained that Ireland got a large mention but that Scotland did not, he was affronted but sat down with his tail between his legs when TM reminded him that unlike Northern Ireland Scotland was in the UK and did not have an EU border adjacent to it.

Although treading a lonely path I sort of felt that she was not actually a million miles away from delivering what the ' people ' voted for in the referendum … mainly ;

* Keeping our existing Trade Deals with the EU but also being able to secure Trade Deals elsewhere in the World.

* Ending the involvement of the Euro courts in UK affairs, bar NI initially.

* Being able to police our borders and control immigration as we see fit.

* Not being tied to the Euro schemes regarding Agriculture and / or Fisheries.

* Maintaining existing levels of co-operation regarding Crime and Security matters.

No doubt I have overlooked something but these were, I think, the key reasons for the vote to leave.

ps … TM also said that we are NOT making any plans for the ' No Brexit ' option bring suggested.



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Hi Mob,

You have covered everthing l would have said......but better

If she can get Gove on board then she has a chance of staving off a no confidence vote, if, however, he follows the pack then she might as well start her Christmas shopping.

l pray to gawd that she stays in post otherwise Remaineers will really find out what doom and gloom means when Boris or Davis takes her place.

[Stephen]

Another resignation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-46200010

[Onelife]

Hi Jack........just seen your post .........goodbye Theresa hello Boris/ Davis and goodbye to a people's vote

[Gill W]

I think we are on eight resignations so far. The latest one that I'm aware of is Rehman Chishti, who is my MP. He's a Brexiter, but is also a very decent bloke who does a lot in the community, without playing party political games

I think Theresa will hang on for grim death, but it's difficult to see how she can survive. If she does topple, does the current draft agreement topple with her? If there's a new PM, do they try and get their own deal? Will Article 50 be extended? So many questions! If the new MP is a Brexity type, there will be some entertainment value in watching them trying to pull off the impossible - the Irish border issue won't just go away!

One thing I'm almost sure of, the current deal won't get through parliament, and we'd also have to rely on parliament to stop the unthinkable - i.e., leaving with no deal

[Gill W]

Far too early for gloating Gill …. Oh, yes you were …. kindly note that this is a DRAFT document.

The Euro negotiators will note the resignations and that Labour haven't got the balls to support our PM. They will therefore make adjustments as a no deal is the worst scenario for them.

Remember that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

This proposal will be gone through in fine detail both here and sur la continent, it will bounce back n forth until we get what we want, otherwise we leave without a deal …. seemples.

No I'm not gloating, I was wondering why everybody was so quiet.

To be honest I'm still wondering, as none of the usual suspects seem willing to give any real opinion.

You seem to get upset when we do.

Opinion is fine - however, the tone and language in which it is delivered is not always fine

[Gill W]

I listened to TM defending the DRAFT report this morning, the House were not exactly supportive but many did recognise her efforts.

JC delivered his usual blistering but somewhat inaccurate response … well done

Other Members kept harping on about having another vote, no way Jose. A Scottish Member complained that Ireland got a large mention but that Scotland did not, he was affronted but sat down with his tail between his legs when TM reminded him that unlike Northern Ireland Scotland was in the UK and did not have an EU border adjacent to it.

Although treading a lonely path I sort of felt that she was not actually a million miles away from delivering what the ' people ' voted for in the referendum … mainly ;

* Keeping our existing Trade Deals with the EU but also being able to secure Trade Deals elsewhere in the World.

* Ending the involvement of the Euro courts in UK affairs, bar NI initially.

* Being able to police our borders and control immigration as we see fit.

* Not being tied to the Euro schemes regarding Agriculture and / or Fisheries.

* Maintaining existing levels of co-operation regarding Crime and Security matters.

No doubt I have overlooked something but these were, I think, the key reasons for the vote to leave.

ps … TM also said that we are NOT making any plans for the ' No Brexit ' option bring suggested.



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The question is, are you and 'the people' willing to risk ceding control to Brussels to achieve the things you have listed?

As I understand it, if an adequate solution to the Irish border isn't reached by December 2020, the UK wide customs area will kick in as the backstop until some indefinite date in the future when it is mutually agreed the backstop can end. This could potentially be years.

As a key Brexiter aim was to 'take back control', we would have less control and no seat at the table to influence our destiny.

We'd be worse off than we are now, with no ability to make our own trade deals, which, I understand, is another key Brexity aim.

Deep down, would you really, truly be okay with us in this subordinate position.

[Onelife]

I think we are on eight resignations so far. The latest one that I'm aware of is Rehman Chishti, who is my MP. He's a Brexiter, but is also a very decent bloke who does a lot in the community, without playing party political games

I think Theresa will hang on for grim death, but it's difficult to see how she can survive. If she does topple, does the current draft agreement topple with her? If there's a new PM, do they try and get their own deal? Will Article 50 be extended? So many questions! If the new MP is a Brexity type, there will be some entertainment value in watching them trying to pull off the impossible - the Irish border issue won't just go away!

One thing I'm almost sure of, the current deal won't get through parliament, and we'd also have to rely on parliament to stop the unthinkable - i.e., leaving with no deal

If Theresa can survive a no confidence vote then she will be in a much better position to amend her draft deal.......especially now that the EU can see what chaos lies ahead for both sides.

[Onelife]

Theresa May to make press statement at 5pm........


Don't do it Theresa...The country needs you!

[Gill W]

You got in too quick Keith, I was going to break that news!

If she goes, God knows what'll happen next.

[Manoverboard]

I listened to TM ……… .

The question is, are you and 'the people' willing to risk ceding control to Brussels to achieve the things you have listed?

As I understand it, if an adequate solution to the Irish border isn't reached by December 2020, the UK wide customs area will kick in as the backstop until some indefinite date in the future when it is mutually agreed the backstop can end. This could potentially be years.

As a key Brexiter aim was to 'take back control', we would have less control and no seat at the table to influence our destiny.

We'd be worse off than we are now, with no ability to make our own trade deals, which, I understand, is another key Brexity aim.

Deep down, would you really, truly be okay with us in this subordinate position.

As I said earlier this is a DRAFT version and I do expect to see the thorny bits dropped in due course to reflect ' The Peoples ' concerns.

The Backstop position was written as is, I would venture to suggest, at the behest of the EU negotiators to focus our minds but they will have observed how badly it was received and that we are even prepared to axe our PM to demonstrate our collective dismissal of this proposal.

Would they rather negotiate with Boris I wonder ?