Brexit

[johnds]

Yes. That's what I thought. So why are most of the opponents claiming we can get a better deal? And how does that help the Irish border problem? I'm not wildly enthusiastic about the deal done but I do think it's the best we will get at this stage and is a basis to move forward in an orderly way.

100% agree

[Manoverboard]

Latest forecast is ….

" Official figures say the UK economy could be up to 3.9% smaller after 15 years under Theresa May's Brexit plan, compared with staying in the EU. But a no-deal Brexit could deliver a 9.3% hit, the new estimates say. "

[david63]

Erm - did we not have similar forecasts about state of the economy if the referendum result was to leave?

[oldbluefox]

Erm - did we not have similar forecasts about state of the economy if the referendum result was to leave?

Shhhhh!!!!

[anniec]

Erm - did we not have similar forecasts about state of the economy if the referendum result was to leave?

Yes, but they think we're all really really stoopid.

[CaroleF]

Do they really think that all this hysteria and Project Apocalypse, as I heard it called this morning, is really going to make those of us who voted leave suddenly change our minds and say - Yes we must stay in the EU? Have they learnt nothing from the Project Fear that surrounded the original Referendum?

[david63]

Have they learnt nothing from the Project Fear that surrounded the original Referendum?

No

[barney]

Financial forecasters only exist to make astrologers seem credible.
These are the same people who didn't see the financial crash coming and told anyone who listen about the immediate disaster that would follow a vote to leave.

[david63]

And when was the last time that Mark Carnage got anything right?

[anniec]

Financial forecasters only exist to make astrologers seem credible.
These are the same people who didn't see the financial crash coming and told anyone who listen about the immediate disaster that would follow a vote to leave.

And the same people who wanted to drag us into the Euro.

[anniec]

Do they really think that all this hysteria and Project Apocalypse, as I heard it called this morning, is really going to make those of us who voted leave suddenly change our minds and say - Yes we must stay in the EU? Have they learnt nothing from the Project Fear that surrounded the original Referendum?

Well said. And if they are right (for once), then they shouldn't have cried wolf the first time around. I no longer believe a word any of them say.

[towny44]

The 3.9% underperformance of May's deal vs continued EU membership would result in a loss of GDP of approx £100 bn over 15 years according to the recent published info. This is just under £7bn a year and since we currently pay the EU A net £8bn a year, due to increase when they set the new budget, I think we might just about break even, even taking into account our divorce payment.

[Manoverboard]

TM has agreed to take part in a BBC TV debate with JC, needless to say the Greens plus the SNP et al want to be involved. Let us hope these generally disruptive one trick pony groups are not invited.

If it goes ahead it will be televised on the Sunday just prior to the Brexit deal / no deal type vote in the House on the 11th December.

[david63]

it will be televised on the Sunday just prior to the Brexit deal / no deal type vote

Do we know at what time? - just so that I can make sure I am out

[Manoverboard]

it will be televised on the Sunday just prior to the Brexit deal / no deal type vote

Do we know at what time? - just so that I can make sure I am out

This may help you

Contained within …

" Mr Corbyn claimed he preferred ITV's bid out of "respect" for viewers who wanted to watch the I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here! final on ITV the same evening - 9 December. I want to watch it myself," he said.

The ITV show normally airs at 21:00 but it's not confirmed what time the final will start.

It is understood the BBC debate programme would start at 20:00 GMT in Birmingham, meaning it would replace David Attenborough's Dynasties on BBC One."

[Mervyn and Trish]

it will be televised on the Sunday just prior to the Brexit deal / no deal type vote

Do we know at what time? - just so that I can make sure I am out

This may help you

Contained within …

" Mr Corbyn claimed he preferred ITV's bid out of "respect" for viewers who wanted to watch the I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here! final on ITV the same evening - 9 December. I want to watch it myself," he said.

The ITV show normally airs at 21:00 but it's not confirmed what time the final will start.

It is understood the BBC debate programme would start at 20:00 GMT in Birmingham, meaning it would replace David Attenborough's Dynasties on BBC One."

Maybe they could combine the two? Theresa and Jeremy could take part in a bush tucker trial and then the viewers could vote. Much cheaper than another referendum

[Mervyn and Trish]

Do they really think that all this hysteria and Project Apocalypse, as I heard it called this morning, is really going to make those of us who voted leave suddenly change our minds and say - Yes we must stay in the EU? Have they learnt nothing from the Project Fear that surrounded the original Referendum?

Well said. And if they are right (for once), then they shouldn't have cried wolf the first time around. I no longer believe a word any of them say.

You took the words out of my mouth Annie. I don't pretend to be an economic expert but I can see that their predictions pre the vote didn't happen so why believe them this time?

They may be right, and will scream I told you so.

But a broken watch is right twice a day, which beats their current record!

[david63]

It is understood the BBC debate programme would start at 20:00 GMT in Birmingham, meaning it would replace David Attenborough's Dynasties on BBC One."

Well it had better go to ITV because it is totally unacceptable to replace Dynasties

I cannot see what the purpose of a debate is as the public are not involved in the vote it is MPs - unless I am missing something.

[Stephen]

I cannot see what the purpose of a debate is as the public are not involved in the vote it is MPs - unless I am missing something.

Just a argumentative sales pitch

[Manoverboard]

I cannot see what the purpose of a debate is as the public are not involved in the vote it is MPs - unless I am missing something.

Just a argumentative sales pitch

Or an opportunity for TM to convince the public that her ' deal ' is worth voting for and then to hope that the public rattle their MPs via their Constituency Offices else Social Media to vote in favour ?

[towny44]

Presumably TM prefers the BBC option because it will have a cross section invited audience, including quite a few businessmen who are quite likely to embarrass JC abo?ut his decision to vote against the deal. The ITV format would be a straight head to head, I think I would prefer the BBC one on this occasion.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Presumably TM prefers the BBC option because it will have a cross section invited audience, including quite a few businessmen who are quite likely to embarrass JC abo?ut his decision to vote against the deal. The ITV format would be a straight head to head, I think I would prefer the BBC one on this occasion.

Maybe the Tory party doesn't think the BBC is opposed to them and the Labour aren't convinced they're for them on this occasion!

Another view is that JC has a very dim opinion of his supporters. He assumes

a) They don't possess digital tv recorders

b) They think who wins I'm a Celebrity is more important than Brexit

c) They'd prefer to watch Noel Edmonds than him!

[david63]

c) They'd prefer to watch Noel Edmonds than him!

Can't argue with that - although I think I would prefer to watch almost anyone in preference to JC

[Gill W]

Re the Bank of England forecast -

The thing is, the modelling informs the response. Therefore,the BoE took action after the Referendum, to avert the worst case scenario
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... t-rate-cut

So, naturally the models were wrong, because they didn't take into account the BoE's subsequent actions

Apart from the BoE report there have been two other reports in the last couple of days. One from the NIESR (this one is bound to be sniffed at on this forum as it was commissioned by Vote Leave)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46338585

and the other from the Government themselves

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46366162

Nobody expects the projections to be completely accurate. But three reports in two days say that the economic outcome of Brexit is negative, so it suggests that we should be prepared for the worst.

This debate that they are planning - I can't see the point of it at all. For one thing, both Corbyn and May want the same thing - Brexit with their own deal. If there was to be any chance or a balanced debate, there needs to be a Remainer and a Leaver who wants no deal and trade on WTO terms . Even if it was balanced, there's still no point, as it's not us who's voting on 11th December

[Gill W]

The 3.9% underperformance of May's deal vs continued EU membership would result in a loss of GDP of approx £100 bn over 15 years according to the recent published info. This is just under £7bn a year and since we currently pay the EU A net £8bn a year, due to increase when they set the new budget, I think we might just about break even, even taking into account our divorce payment.

It's £100 billion per year

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5794161