Brexit

[Jack Staff]

Riots

Yesterday the big pro Brexit march had 2,000 marchers. The counter march had 15,000.
Appeasement does not work. If there are Brexiter riots, we will fight them - and win. It's the British way to fight the far right.

Jack the far left have always been able to organise bigger demonstrations, probably because most of their leaders are out of work on benefits! And of course London has far more rabble rousers than the sensible rest of the country.

I do hope you are not implying that all Remainers are "far left". Or that everyone with a job believes in Brexit - it was Sunday after all!
If all the "rabble rousers" are Londoners, therefore Remainers(?) it proves there will be no Brexit riots, just a huge sigh of relief from the whole country when it is cancelled.

[johnds]

If there are Brexiter riots, we will fight them - and win. It's the British way to fight the far right.

So now you are planning and advocating civil war

[Jack Staff]

If there are Brexiter riots, we will fight them - and win. It's the British way to fight the far right.

So now you are planning and advocating civil war

No. But proper British people do not bend to intimidation.

[johnds]

If there are Brexiter riots, we will fight them - and win. It's the British way to fight the far right.

So now you are planning and advocating civil war

No. But proper British people do not bend to intimidation.

You mean like the EU has \ is \ and will ty to intimidate us

[Onelife]

And will MPs actually let her pull that vote?
MPs of ALL parties - including her own - are queuing up to tell me this morning that they will not give up their democratic right to formally vote down her deal without a fight.
They think they may have the opportunity to reject the motion the government will lay shelving the vote.
If they succeed in voting down her attempt to bury a bad vote, surely in the process they will in effect be terminating her time as PM.
{Peston}

There have been but a few political journalists who haven't written Theresa May off and yet she is still in there fighting... and long may she continue

She is still in post because most of those who are shouting 'bad deal' haven't got the guts to say she has done a bad job ..l wouldn't blame her if she throw in the towel but that would mean l would have to listen to all of her traitorous mavericks telling us what a good job she had done.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Yesterday the big pro Brexit march had 2,000 marchers. The counter march had 15,000.
Appeasement does not work. If there are Brexiter riots, we will fight them - and win. It's the British way to fight the far right.

Jack the far left have always been able to organise bigger demonstrations, probably because most of their leaders are out of work on benefits! And of course London has far more rabble rousers than the sensible rest of the country.

I do hope you are not implying that all Remainers are "far left". Or that everyone with a job believes in Brexit - it was Sunday after all!
If all the "rabble rousers" are Londoners, therefore Remainers(?) it proves there will be no Brexit riots, just a huge sigh of relief from the whole country when it is cancelled.

Errrm - Pot, kettle, black. Did you not suggest that Brexiters are far right?

[Mervyn and Trish]

Corbyn elected

He is tainted with the toxic Brexit brush and will be consigned to ignominy with the rest of them.

So once Labour and the Tories and the "rest of them" have been "consigned to ignominy" who do your sources tell us will run the country?

[Jack Staff]

Errrm - Pot, kettle, black. Did you not suggest that Brexiters are far right?

Pretty much, yes. There are others of course, who just follow the party line, the 'my team' crowd. The ones who can't or refuse to see the damage being done to this country. The ones who still believe the lies, like the fisherman who may well be able to catch more fish, but will no longer have anywhere to sell them. The farmers who do not realise their business will be dead in two years....

[Jack Staff]

Corbyn elected

He is tainted with the toxic Brexit brush and will be consigned to ignominy with the rest of them.

So once Labour and the Tories and the "rest of them" have been "consigned to ignominy" who do your sources tell us will run the country?

I did not say Labour and the Tories.
In answer to your question, Yvette Cooper, Kenneth Clarke, Caroline Lucas, Layla Moran, David Lammy, Chuka Umunna, Anna Soubry ....

[Mervyn and Trish]

Errrm - Pot, kettle, black. Did you not suggest that Brexiters are far right?

Pretty much, yes. There are others of course, who just follow the party line, the 'my team' crowd. The ones who can't or refuse to see the damage being done to this country. The ones who still believe the lies, like the fisherman who may well be able to catch more fish, but will no longer have anywhere to sell them. The farmers who do not realise their business will be dead in two years....

Well that's about as offensive as calling Remainers far left would be. So you can hardly claim the moral high ground

I'm sure some are on both sides. But we are seriously in trouble if 17 million people are far right.

[Manoverboard]

And will MPs actually let her pull that vote? ….

The vote is being delayed ( perhaps while she sorts out the backstop issue with the EU ) not ' pulled '.

…. and according to our PM's Statement in the House this afternoon the above is exactly what will be happening.

A short delay is therefore anticipated.

[towny44]

Jack, just listening to the debate and all the voices echoing your mantra that we we did not vote to make the country poorer. Well if you remember there were lots of groups of remainers from all parties as well as lots of comments, which were labelled project fear, which clearly spelled out the economic cost of a leave vote. So all Brexiteers were duly warned about the cost to our economy and even armed with this information the vote was to leave.
I guess you won't want to acknowledge this fact, and I expect you will still want to remain, but which party will you be supporting if in fact the Tory administration falls. The Libdems are unlikely to command a majority, similarly the Greens, neither are the SNP and anyway they don't contest seats in the rest of the UK. So which party will you vote for to guarantee that we either remain or have a second vote?

[oldbluefox]

Brexiters far right? Just goes to show how out of touch our Jack is when you see that the greater part of the Leave vote came from Labour heartlands especially in the North. They will not be at all pleased.
Again TM rejects another referendum. Good lass!!

[Onelife]

Can someone rush round to Jack and Barney's house cos l think they may have just suffered a blood drain. The news that our prime minister has been given some assurance that there is room for renegotiating the backstop has probably scuppered any chance of their disastrous no deal or a people's vote making any further headway.

Well done Theresa.

[oldbluefox]

Jack, just listening to the debate and all the voices echoing your mantra that we we did not vote to make the country poorer. Well if you remember there were lots of groups of remainers from all parties as well as lots of comments, which were labelled project fear, which clearly spelled out the economic cost of a leave vote. So all Brexiteers were duly warned about the cost to our economy and even armed with this information the vote was to leave.
I guess you won't want to acknowledge this fact, and I expect you will still want to remain, but which party will you be supporting if in fact the Tory administration falls. The Libdems are unlikely to command a majority, similarly the Greens, neither are the SNP and anyway they don't contest seats in the rest of the UK. So which party will you vote for to guarantee that we either remain or have a second vote?

I expect all the MPs who are consulting him will want to know the same, towny.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, just listening to the debate and all the voices echoing your mantra that we we did not vote to make the country poorer. Well if you remember there were lots of groups of remainers from all parties as well as lots of comments, which were labelled project fear, which clearly spelled out the economic cost of a leave vote. So all Brexiteers were duly warned about the cost to our economy and even armed with this information the vote was to leave.
I guess you won't want to acknowledge this fact, and I expect you will still want to remain, but which party will you be supporting if in fact the Tory administration falls. The Libdems are unlikely to command a majority, similarly the Greens, neither are the SNP and anyway they don't contest seats in the rest of the UK. So which party will you vote for to guarantee that we either remain or have a second vote?

I expect all the MPs who are consulting him will want to know the same, towny.

There certainly is a lot of debate on what might happen. John is relying on the same situation as the 2017 GE. In that Labour picked up a lot of votes, even with a cretin as leader. That was simply due to Remainers voting against a Tory Brerxit, not for Labour, as he rightly says LibDems (etc) unlikely to command a majority. This will not happen again. I agree the choice is presently limited, so just for your amusement, how about this for an idea....
Both Labour and the Conservatives are split between leave and remain, so a temporary split, into their presently existing component parts, stop giggling, hear me out....
The Tories split into the Conservative (leave) and Unionist (remain) parties.
Labour split to Labour (leave) and Co-operative (remain) parties.
Basically each party puts up their two candidates, once the GE is over the two halves of each party can then reunite (unlikely with the Tories, I admit!).

A totally wild idea I know, but it has the advantage over just about any other plan at present, in that it might work! Also no need for a People Vote.

[Manoverboard]

We simply don't need a GE … TM will win out but maybe resign in 2022 when the Brexit dust is settled.

She will be remembered with fondness but the leaders of the DMs, Labour, SNP, PC, and the Greens will go down as losers.

[Jack Staff]

Can someone rush round to Jack and Barney's house ...

Keith, Barney and I are just good friends, please don't spread rumours.

[Gill W]

Can someone rush round to Jack and Barney's house cos l think they may have just suffered a blood drain. The news that our prime minister has been given some assurance that there is room for renegotiating the backstop has probably scuppered any chance of their disastrous no deal or a people's vote making any further headway.

Well done Theresa.

Keith, just so you don’t get too carried away, she said she is ‘seeking assurances’ not renegotiating. Donald Tusk has tweeted to confirm there will be no renegotiation, but is willing to discuss the facilitation of U.K. ratification

Twitter @eucopeesident

[towny44]

Jack, just listening to the debate and all the voices echoing your mantra that we we did not vote to make the country poorer. Well if you remember there were lots of groups of remainers from all parties as well as lots of comments, which were labelled project fear, which clearly spelled out the economic cost of a leave vote. So all Brexiteers were duly warned about the cost to our economy and even armed with this information the vote was to leave.
I guess you won't want to acknowledge this fact, and I expect you will still want to remain, but which party will you be supporting if in fact the Tory administration falls. The Libdems are unlikely to command a majority, similarly the Greens, neither are the SNP and anyway they don't contest seats in the rest of the UK. So which party will you vote for to guarantee that we either remain or have a second vote?

I expect all the MPs who are consulting him will want to know the same, towny.

There certainly is a lot of debate on what might happen. John is relying on the same situation as the 2017 GE. In that Labour picked up a lot of votes, even with a cretin as leader. That was simply due to Remainers voting against a Tory Brerxit, not for Labour, as he rightly says LibDems (etc) unlikely to command a majority. This will not happen again. I agree the choice is presently limited, so just for your amusement, how about this for an idea....
Both Labour and the Conservatives are split between leave and remain, so a temporary split, into their presently existing component parts, stop giggling, hear me out....
The Tories split into the Conservative (leave) and Unionist (remain) parties.
Labour split to Labour (leave) and Co-operative (remain) parties.
Basically each party puts up their two candidates, once the GE is over the two halves of each party can then reunite (unlikely with the Tories, I admit!).

A totally wild idea I know, but it has the advantage over just about any other plan at present, in that it might work! Also no need for a People Vote.

Jack, I agree a totally wild idea.
Unfortunately for you the lack of a credible alternative to TM rather dims the prospects of another vote. So we seem to be back to either TM's plan or no deal.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, I agree a totally wild idea.
Unfortunately for you the lack of a credible alternative to TM rather dims the prospects of another vote. So we seem to be back to either TM's plan or no deal.

Or no Brexit

[Onelife]

Can someone rush round to Jack and Barney's house cos l think they may have just suffered a blood drain. The news that our prime minister has been given some assurance that there is room for renegotiating the backstop has probably scuppered any chance of their disastrous no deal or a people's vote making any further headway.

Well done Theresa.

Keith, just so you don’t get too carried away, she said she is ‘seeking assurances’ not renegotiating. Donald Tusk has tweeted to confirm there will be no renegotiation, but is willing to discuss the facilitation of U.K. ratification

Twitter @eucopeesident

Hi Gill...l think you are being a bit picky but the fact that Tusk has said they are willing to facilitate ratification must mean they are willing to rewrite a few sentences that give 'assurance' to the UK about being kept in a backstop....wording, times and dates to be renegotiated?

[Onelife]

Can someone rush round to Jack and Barney's house ...

Keith, Barney and I are just good friends, please don't spread rumours.

Sorry Jack........but you didn't pay the ransom

[Ray B]

What a mess. I do not think anyone really knows which way to go. It was the same when we voted after all the crap we were fed. We are still being given conflicting comments as to the way we should go, and that's on top of political parties
trying to gain the public vote. At a time like this, do we need infighting. The future of our country is at stake here, we need to put the country first,................. and we are back at the beginning. Any Ideas ?

[Onelife]

Did anyone listen to a women labour MP this afternoon where she delivered a question to Theresa May using the word 'ejaculating' in her delivery......Theresa May responded with something like......"do l look like someone who has premature ejaculation"......The house erupted in fits of laughter... as did l.

On the subject of MP's....political parties should have a better selection process because some of the comments coming from the shadow back benches are laughable and show a total lack of understanding of the issues..It was no wonder Theresa May responded so many times with..."l refer the Rt Hon idiot to the question l answered previously"