Brexit

[towny44]

Jack, I agree a totally wild idea.
Unfortunately for you the lack of a credible alternative to TM rather dims the prospects of another vote. So we seem to be back to either TM's plan or no deal.

Or no Brexit

Theresa has promised to honour the referendum, so while she is in charge a no brexit solution is not on the table, much as you wish it were.

[Jack Staff]

Or no Brexit

Theresa has promised to honour the referendum, so while she is in charge a no brexit solution is not on the table, much as you wish it were.

But that is the problem. She is not in charge, just ridin' the tiger.

[towny44]

Or no Brexit

Theresa has promised to honour the referendum, so while she is in charge a no brexit solution is not on the table, much as you wish it were.

But that is the problem. She is not in charge, just ridin' the tiger.

Yes but I doubt that Boris or Jacob are man enough to unseat her, so you're stuck with her and a no deal brexit is far more likely than another referendum or a cancellation of article 50, only emigration left for you now Jack.

[Jack Staff]

Theresa has promised to honour the referendum, so while she is in charge a no brexit solution is not on the table, much as you wish it were.

But that is the problem. She is not in charge, just ridin' the tiger.

Yes but I doubt that Boris or Jacob are man enough to unseat her, so you're stuck with her and a no deal brexit is far more likely than another referendum or a cancellation of article 50, only emigration left for you now Jack.

You may think that funny.
I read it as Brexiters want to make this country so bad that anyone who doesn't believe abandons you.
You and Mrs. May seem to have a lot in common.

[Jack Staff]

The Speaker has approved an application from the Leader of the Opposition for an emergency debate on the Government's decision to defer the Meaningful Vote. The emergency debate will take place tomorrow as the first item of business and will last up to three hours.
{UK House of Commons}

[Onelife]

What a mess. I do not think anyone really knows which way to go. It was the same when we voted after all the cr*p we were fed. We are still being given conflicting comments as to the way we should go, and that's on top of political parties
trying to gain the public vote. At a time like this, do we need infighting. The future of our country is at stake here, we need to put the country first,................. and we are back at the beginning. Any Ideas ?

Hi Ray,

Irospective of which side of the fence you sit what we have been witnessing has nothing to do with parliamentary democracy. What has happened is a mixture of political party opportunism, political union posturing and a few powerful individuals like Boris who are creating the turmoil to further their own political aspirations.

If MP's don't come together and back Theresa this is going to end very badly for the UK.

As for ideas.....go on a back to back world cruise and take me with you.

[oldbluefox]

What I am witnessing from Westminster has little to do with Brexit. It's a disgrace.

[Manoverboard]

The Speaker has approved an application from the Leader of the Opposition for an emergency debate on the Government's decision to defer the Meaningful Vote. The emergency debate will take place tomorrow as the first item of business and will last up to three hours.
{UK House of Commons}

What an opportunist plonker

Any fool, bar one or two, should be able to understand the benefit of delaying the Meaningful vote.

ps … did anyone note the Labour Member for Tottenham-ish slating TM for delaying the vote and citing Mrs T and John Major as PMs who would never have resorted to doing so but then he added Tony Blair to that list thus demonstrating rhetoric rather than knowledge.

[Onelife]

What I am witnessing from Westminster has little to do with Brexit. It's a disgrace.

It is a disgrace foxy and l'm starting to think for some MP's this is more about losing face and national pride than taking the sensible workable option ....l for one would be prepared to swallow my pride if it gets us to where we want to be in a couple + years time.

[towny44]

But that is the problem. She is not in charge, just ridin' the tiger.

Yes but I doubt that Boris or Jacob are man enough to unseat her, so you're stuck with her and a no deal brexit is far more likely than another referendum or a cancellation of article 50, only emigration left for you now Jack.

You may think that funny.
I read it as Brexiters want to make this country so bad that anyone who doesn't believe abandons you.
You and Mrs. May seem to have a lot in common.

Jack you still don't understand the leave voters mindset, we voted to leave the EU not because we thought it would be milk and honey on the outside, but because we felt that we never really belonged in it in the first place. We were warned by all the remain supporters that there would be a negative economic consequence to leaving and yet despite this we all felt the cost was a small price to pay for total freedom from the EU. Which is another reason why most soft brexit options would not satisfy us, we want total freedom from their rules, regulations and the total subservience of the individual states to the glory of the EU superstate.
We have no expectation that this will be an easy ride, but we have absolute faith in the character of the UK that in the end the benefits of no longer being tied to Brussels apron strings will be a price that everyone, including remainers, will see as a price worth paying.

[barney]

https://www.politico.eu/article/opinion ... in-budget/

Italy must be peeing themselves with laughter.
Just a month ago, Macron made a rousing speech about why it was so important not to break EU fiscal rules.
I wonder what the Commission will do now ?

Anyone who thinks that they know the EU, watch their Parliament live on BBC politics channel.
This morning they were discussing proposals for Economic & Monetary union and the EU's proposal for the distribution of illegal immigrants throughout the member states.
All to be agreed with Qualified Majority voting.

Bring on Brexit.

We're best off outside of that circus.
At least we can get rid of our own incompetent leaders.

By the way John, I agree with every word that you have said above.

As for May's humiliating back down yesterday,this should have been obvious to her two weeks ago.
Mind you, why she ever thought anyone in the UK would agree to this deal is a mystery to me.
Why on earth she agreed it in the first place shows she has lost the plot.
It could never be accepted with the back stop clause.

The plan now is to take over to take over to France's half a million yellow vests, tell the farmers casually that Macron and Juncker wants to stop their very large and lucrative trade in all sorts of fresh food to the UK and wait for their response.

I would imagine the Dutch horticultural growers and the German car workers will also not be pleased that the EU’s precious ‘project’ will mean they will have to find new markets for their 300 billion worth of trade of which they have a 80 billion a year trade surplus.
That’s a trillion pounds over a decade.

They will miss the business.
Redundancies threaten millions all over Europe unless the commission climbs off their high horse and be reasonable, this will end with exactly what they say that they don't want.

A WTO Brexit.

[barney]

I was reading a very interesting article in an Irish newspaper earlier.
They are concerned about the 'land bridge' for their products going to the continent should a WTO Brexit happen.

At last they have woken up and are now understanding that their PM and the EU team are selling them down the river.

In the event of a 'hard Brexit' as they like to put it, their produce will need to be 'exported' to the UK involving checks and then 're-exported' out the other side to France or Holland or Belgium, along with all of the UK exports.

They could bypass this by ferrying direct to the continent and some work has been done on this but perishables would not stand the trip.

So, they have played hardball with the UK, instead of coming to a mutuual understanding, and are now complaining about access to their land bridge to Europe.

How about we charge them 39 billion for use of the land bridge.?

The downright cheek is astounding, isn't it.

It's about time TM grew a pair and did a little bit of Thatcher's table thumping.
No agreement means no transation, no bribe money and no bowing down to the EU.
Just leave on the 29th March.
Stand up for your country and citizens Teresa.

[Jack Staff]

Jack you still don't understand the leave voters mindset, we voted to leave the EU not because we thought it would be milk and honey on the outside, but because we felt that we never really belonged in it in the first place. We were warned by all the remain supporters that there would be a negative economic consequence to leaving and yet despite this we all felt the cost was a small price to pay for total freedom from the EU. Which is another reason why most soft brexit options would not satisfy us, we want total freedom from their rules, regulations and the total subservience of the individual states to the glory of the EU superstate.
We have no expectation that this will be an easy ride, but we have absolute faith in the character of the UK that in the end the benefits of no longer being tied to Brussels apron strings will be a price that everyone, including remainers, will see as a price worth paying.

John, I will never understand the leave voters mindset.
It makes no sense.
Unless of course you have been successful in life, have all you could ever want, but have no care for your country, your children and theirs.
All I hear is "We won!"
You tell me poor people want to be poorer.
Trouble is, no Brexiter ever says exactly what it is they think they have won.

To me, it is like Bobby Moore, on his own, going to Mexico '70, thinking 'It's coming home'. Madness.

[Jack Staff]

48 letters

[oldbluefox]

48 letters

Get rid of Theresa May and put a proper Brexiteer in charge. 48 letters exactly!!!

[Onelife]

It appears Moggie has finally found another 47 backstabbers to force a vote of no confidence...having taken him this long to draw together enough 'followers' gawd knows how he hopes to gain enough to topple her.

However, should l be wrong l think it's time 'No Deal' (forum) Brexiteers nailed their colors to the mast and reveal who they think should take us to the sunlit uplands of a no deal Brexit?

[Onelife]

48 letters

Get rid of Theresa May and put a proper Brexiteer in charge. 48 letters exactly!!!

You had one in Davis foxy but he soon realised the task that lay ahead of him and did a runner.

[Jack Staff]

Corbyn is going to go for a vote of no confidence in the government, but only when he knows it won't be necessary because her 'friends' are going to do it first.
The ERG are taking control of the Conservative party.
British politics is in severe trouble.

Taking back control, eh?

[oldbluefox]

48 letters

Get rid of Theresa May and put a proper Brexiteer in charge. 48 letters exactly!!!

You had one in Davis foxy but he soon realised the task that lay ahead of him and did a runner.

Reports I heard is that several took on the job but were overridden by TM. Not quite what you are saying Jack.

[Jack Staff]

Get rid of Theresa May and put a proper Brexiteer in charge. 48 letters exactly!!!

You had one in Davis foxy but he soon realised the task that lay ahead of him and did a runner.

Reports I heard is that several took on the job but were overridden by TM. Not quite what you are saying Jack.

It's Keith saying that. Not me.

{Edit}
But on reflection, I agree with him.

[towny44]

John, I will never understand the leave voters mindset.
It makes no sense.
Unless of course you have been successful in life, have all you could ever want, but have no care for your country, your children and theirs.
All I hear is "We won!"
You tell me poor people want to be poorer.

Jack why must everything have to be judged on its financial status? You can judge quality of life by many measures some of which bring you joy or family fellowship, not everything in life needs to have a monetary value.
As for shouting we won, I believe that was only ever mentioned in reply to your repeated demands for a re-run because your side lost, both comments which are rather petty, but these things get said when trying to get a remainer to understand a leavers point of view, and of course vice versa.
I just wish you would give our arguments the same courtesy we extend to your's, I have always said I fully understand why remainers chose to vote that way, even though my view is the total opposite.

[Jack Staff]

John, I will never understand the leave voters mindset.
It makes no sense.
Unless of course you have been successful in life, have all you could ever want, but have no care for your country, your children and theirs.
All I hear is "We won!"
You tell me poor people want to be poorer.

Jack why must everything have to be judged on its financial status? You can judge quality of life by many measures some of which bring you joy or family fellowship, not everything in life needs to have a monetary value.

You have previously stated "I'm alright, Jack". You may be, but poor people did not vote to be poorer.

As for shouting we won, I believe that was only ever mentioned in reply to your repeated demands for a re-run because your side lost, both comments which are rather petty, but these things get said when trying to get a remainer to understand a leavers point of view, and of course vice versa.
I just wish you would give our arguments the same courtesy we extend to your's, I have always said I fully understand why remainers chose to vote that way, even though my view is the total opposite.

I notice you removed the rest of my post, fair enough if not relevant, but I think it is.
I believe leavers are of the opinion that 'Team Empire' was sliding down the league table post WWII, so got a transfer to 'Team Europe' to retain world credibility.
Team Europe, faced with global opposition never wins a cup after Team US and Team China.
Being the star country of THE United Kingdom, we don't need any team, we can take on the world on our own and win! EMPIRE 2.0

Reality is this is 2018. The world thinks we are Gazza.

[Stephen]

Poor old Theresa May. No one likes moving house just before Christmas

[Manoverboard]

So …. it seems that we are going to have a ' Vote of NO confidence ' in TM, could it be the end of her and her deal ?

Possibly not !

Could it be that she is presently unable to twist the EUs arm re the backstop position because her Government are not presently seen to be supporting her. Arrange therefore a few more letters, have the ' Confidence ' vote tonight, she wins with a sizable majority and then goes back to the EU with her hand considerably strengthened.

[Manoverboard]

Corbyn is going to go for a vote of no confidence in the government, but only when he knows it won't be necessary because her 'friends' are going to do it first.
The ERG are taking control of the Conservative party.
British politics is in severe trouble.

Taking back control, eh?

See my post #3374 above ….