Brexit

[Onelife]

I absolutely agree with the statement below.....

"too many people who want to subvert the process for their own political interests rather than acting in the national interest”.

“For Tony Blair to go to Brussels and seek to undermine our negotiations by advocating for a second referendum is an insult to the office he once held and the people he once served,”

Theresa May

........

Whilst he may have lost all credibility as an X Prime Minister he sadly still carries influence, and for him, or any other political figure to just trot off to Brussels with the sole objective of undermining our bargaining position would in most countries be seen as treason.

Our political system has been heralded as a shinning example to the rest of the world...It will be a legacy that "remaineers" will have to bare should our political system be brought to its knees.....cos this is where we are heading if you don't back off with their consistent whinging.

[screwy]

Oh dear,your going to upset jack&gill again..

[Jack Staff]

I absolutely agree with the statement below.....

"too many people who want to subvert the process for their own political interests rather than acting in the national interest”.

“For Tony Blair to go to Brussels and seek to undermine our negotiations by advocating for a second referendum is an insult to the office he once held and the people he once served,”

Theresa May

........

Whilst he may have lost all credibility as an X Prime Minister he sadly still carries influence, and for him, or any other political figure to just trot off to Brussels with the sole objective of undermining our bargaining position would in most countries be seen as treason.

Our political system has been heralded as a shinning example to the rest of the world...It will be a legacy that "remaineers" will have to bare should our political system be brought to its knees.....cos this is where we are heading if you don't back off with their consistent whinging.

But when John Major says it, Theresa May says nothing.
https://www.ft.com/content/cf49c956-c35 ... 197280d3f7
As he is in the same party as her, could it be that she is "subverting the process for their own political interests rather than acting in the national interest”?

[oldbluefox]

Did Major go over to Brussels as well? I'm afraid your link didn't work, Jack.
With his track record I wouldn't take heed of a word the creepy little toad Bliar said. How many hospitals are in financial trouble as a consequence of his PFI initiative? This is the same man who once campaigned to get us out of Europe. The same one who was re-elected by promising a referendum on Europe and then reneged by saying there was no need as he had signed the Lisbon Treaty. Despicable little character.

[oldbluefox]

To even it up I have no time for Major either. He had a hand in PFI and gave everybody rights without mentioning that along with rights go responsibilities. Of course he had his own indiscretions didn't he so hardly squeaky clean.

[Jack Staff]

I'm afraid your link didn't work, Jack.

Paywall, sorry. Just a couple of snippets...
Sir John did not endorse Mrs May’s Chequers EU exit plan, nor defend her negotiating style towards the EU; instead he called for a second referendum, based on “fact not fantasy”.
He also questioned the idea that the UK, outside the EU, would be free to pursue better trade deals on its own with the rest of the world. With the US changing its global stance, he said that the UK, by separating itself from the EU, faced a lonelier world. “I think strategically that is a folly.”

[Onelife]

I absolutely agree with the statement below.....

"too many people who want to subvert the process for their own political interests rather than acting in the national interest”.

“For Tony Blair to go to Brussels and seek to undermine our negotiations by advocating for a second referendum is an insult to the office he once held and the people he once served,”

Theresa May

........

Whilst he may have lost all credibility as an X Prime Minister he sadly still carries influence, and for him, or any other political figure to just trot off to Brussels with the sole objective of undermining our bargaining position would in most countries be seen as treason.

Our political system has been heralded as a shinning example to the rest of the world...It will be a legacy that "remaineers" will have to bare should our political system be brought to its knees.....cos this is where we are heading if you don't back off with their consistent whinging.

But when John Major says it, Theresa May says nothing.
https://www.ft.com/content/cf49c956-c35 ... 197280d3f7
As he is in the same party as her, could it be that she is "subverting the process for their own political interests rather than acting in the national interest”?

Hi Jack,

I did say "for him, or any other political figure"

I'm in no doubt should John Major have spoken out at this stage of the proceedings she would have reacted accordingly....l think we should bear in mind X Prime Ministers will have a understanding of Government mindsets when dealing with European disputes/negotiating/tactics which could be invaluable to your opponents and the reason they shouldn't be engaging in political talks with EU/Irish representatives.

[Jack Staff]

Keith, the EU are not our opponents. They are our friends.
Granted, Leavers have done everything within their power to change this.

[Onelife]

Did Major go over to Brussels as well? I'm afraid your link didn't work, Jack.
With his track record I wouldn't take heed of a word the creepy little toad Bliar said. How many hospitals are in financial trouble as a consequence of his PFI initiative? This is the same man who once campaigned to get us out of Europe. The same one who was re-elected by promising a referendum on Europe and then reneged by saying there was no need as he had signed the Lisbon Treaty. Despicable little character.

Hi Foxy.......There should be an independent inquiry into how the taxpayer is being ripped off by having to pay massive PFI intrest rates........l read somewhere that we are paying back 2 billion a year to one company that employs just eleven staff.......you could build 3 hospitals a year for that amount of taxpayers money.

[Onelife]

Keith, the EU are not our opponents. They are our friends.
Granted, Leavers have done everything within their power to change this.

Jack, when you are negotiating for your countries future you may call them your friends, l call them opponents...you can shake hands afterwards.

[Jack Staff]

Keith, the EU are not our opponents. They are our friends.
Granted, Leavers have done everything within their power to change this.

Jack, when you are negotiating for your countries future you may call them your friends, l call them opponents...you can shake hands afterwards.

I do call them my friends. I call Leavers my opponents.
Because of course, I am 'negotiating' with you for my countries future.
That is the real problem. Us 'Brits' can't decide amongst ourselves what we want, not even in such a closed group as this.
But I do hope we can have a pint onboard afterwards.

[Onelife]

Keith, the EU are not our opponents. They are our friends.
Granted, Leavers have done everything within their power to change this.

Jack, when you are negotiating for your countries future you may call them your friends, l call them opponents...you can shake hands afterwards.

I do call them my friends. I call Leavers my opponents.
Because of course, I am 'negotiating' with you for my countries future.
That is the real problem. Us 'Brits' can't decide amongst ourselves what we want, not even in such a closed group as this.
But I do hope we can have a pint onboard afterwards.

Hi Jack

l think most of us on here know what we want, we may have differing views as to how we get there but we all want out!!

I would be delighted to have a pint onboard with you Jack.......l'm not so sure you'll end up being "my freind" but worst things have happened at sea so who knows

[david63]

Us 'Brits' can't decide amongst ourselves what we want

This is the crux of the current problem.

There are two distinct factions, in and out, and both have opposing views. Basically we have decided what we want but many, including those in Parliament, will not accept the outcome and have all along the way put as many obstacles in the way as they can.

We are in the mess that we are largely due to the shenanigans of the remain camp. TM knew from the outset how this was going to pan out and that is why she did not want to have to go to Parliament with the deal. As I said earlier the "real" negotiations will start now until March, but by then it will be too late.

[Jack Staff]

Hi Jack

l think most of us on here know what we want, we may have differing views as to how we get there but we all want out!!

I would be delighted to have a pint onboard with you Jack.......l'm not so sure you'll end up being "my freind" but worst things have happened at sea so who knows

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have you down as a 'TM deal' kinda guy and (say) Barney as a full blown Brexit Armageddon chap. Others somewhere between the two. Very different positions when you consider what will be on the ballot paper.

I don't know about you, but I would much rather be having this conversation over a pint onboard right now!

[Onelife]

Hi Jack

l think most of us on here know what we want, we may have differing views as to how we get there but we all want out!!

I would be delighted to have a pint onboard with you Jack.......l'm not so sure you'll end up being "my freind" but worst things have happened at sea so who knows

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have you down as a 'TM deal' kinda guy and (say) Barney as a full blown Brexit Armageddon chap. Others somewhere between the two. Very different positions when you consider what will be on the ballot paper.

I don't know about you, but I would much rather be having this conversation over a pint onboard right now!

l'll drink to that Jack

[Onelife]

Did Major go over to Brussels as well? I'm afraid your link didn't work, Jack.
With his track record I wouldn't take heed of a word the creepy little toad Bliar said. How many hospitals are in financial trouble as a consequence of his PFI initiative? This is the same man who once campaigned to get us out of Europe. The same one who was re-elected by promising a referendum on Europe and then reneged by saying there was no need as he had signed the Lisbon Treaty. Despicable little character.

Hi Foxy.......There should be an independent inquiry into how the taxpayer is being ripped off by having to pay massive PFI intrest rates........l read somewhere that we are paying back 2 billion a year to one company that employs just eleven staff.......you could build 3 hospitals a year for that amount of taxpayers money.


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Correction.....It was 200 million not 2 billion as stated.

[Jack Staff]

Did someone say "Corbyn", think that was the name. No one I've actually heard of before.

[Onelife]

Theresa May said on many occasions this afternoon that negotiations were ongoing and implied that there was further movment on the Backstop to come. She then gave a date on which the vote would take place......so what did Corbyn do.......He puts in a motion of no confidence in the Prime minster because he wanted the vote to take place before Christmas.

Corbyn is full of Sh*t....If he really believed his party had a better plan then he would have put forward a motion of no confidence in the Government...He hasn't got a plan and he ain't got a clue..

[Onelife]

Did someone say "Corbyn", think that was the name. No one I've actually heard of before.

Jack.......what are you on about?

[Jack Staff]

Did someone say "Corbyn", think that was the name. No one I've actually heard of before.

Jack.......what are you on about?

Exactly the same as you!

[anniec]

Theresa May said on many occasions this afternoon that negotiations were ongoing and implied that there was further movment on the Backstop to come. She then gave a date on which the vote would take place......so what did Corbyn do.......He puts in a motion of no confidence in the Prime minster because he wanted the vote to take place before Christmas.

Corbyn is full of Sh*t....If he really believed his party had a better plan then he would have put forward a motion of no confidence in the Government...He hasn't got a plan and he ain't got a clue..

In all likelihood Corbyn doesn't want to run the risk of winning an election at the moment. Were I Corbyn, I would want the Tories to implement the poisoned chalice of Brexit then step in at an opportune moment afterwards.

[towny44]

That's always assuming that Cornyn has the intelligence to recognise an opportune moment.

[Jack Staff]

That's always assuming that Cornyn has the intelligence to recognise an opportune moment.

He doesn't.
However the Greens SNP LibDems et al do and have tabled an amendment to upgrade his toothless confidence vote in the PM to a full blown government no confidence vote.

Will it work? Doubt it.
But it does show the only way to Brexit is with Corbyn.

[Ray Scully]

SUMS IT ALL UP

[towny44]

SUMS IT ALL UP

Now if that was the full story we wouldn't be leaving Ray, unfortunately it's a long way from the truth. But if it makes you feel like a happy Brussels puppy, then who are we stop Juncker from ruffling your fur, Oh sorry your the wrong sex.