Brexit

[Gill W]

No problem … agree a reasonable expiry date to the backstop and vote again … et voila

The agreement made in November was achieved after nearly two years of negotiations. It's hardly likely we can nip over to Brussels get it changed to what we want ( I'm not sure anybody actually knows what we want) and have another meaningful vote to overturn the biggest government defeat in history. bearing in mind we have 40 parliamentary sitting days until Brexit.

Edited to add. Barnier said today '"The backstop, which we agreed to with the UK, must remain a backstop; it must remain a credible backstop. It must be credible." Doesn't sound as if EU are up for a fantasy backstop

[screwy]

Gardener is such a wet lettuce,goes round&round till he eventually disappears up his own a*se.

[Manoverboard]

No problem … agree a reasonable expiry date to the backstop and vote again … et voila

The agreement made in November was achieved after nearly two years of negotiations. It's hardly likely we can nip over to Brussels get it changed to what we want ( I'm not sure anybody actually knows what we want) and have another meaningful vote to overturn the biggest government defeat in history. bearing in mind we have 40 parliamentary sitting days until Brexit.

Edited to add. Barnier said today '"The backstop, which we agreed to with the UK, must remain a backstop; it must remain a credible backstop. It must be credible." Doesn't sound as if EU are up for a fantasy backstop

I tried to keep it brief

My view, for what it is worth, is that a large number of Tory MPs plus the DUP plus an unknown number of Labour MPs will vote in favour of TM's deal if the backstop is amended. I doubt it will be removed but a time restraint is entirely possible.

A ' credible ' backstop is one which comes into force in certain circumstances but it need not be in place beyond a reasonable period. If there was a deadline it will surely sharpen the minds of all concerned.

The timing would be very short if the House and the EU are flexible regarding this delicate matter.

[david63]

David, Individually I have experienced both sides, Sir Lindsey Hoyle who does very much have the interest of his constituents at heart, and was extremely helpful to an organisation I head up, and DEN Dover, nuff said, google.

No need to Goole either of them - I can only but agree.

[Stephen]

To lighten the mood

[screwy]

Haha...after watching Goves attack on Corbyn tonight he gets my vote as leader...

[Jack Staff]

Haha...after watching Goves attack on Corbyn tonight he gets my vote as leader...

But he's an idiot

[Onelife]

Haha...after watching Goves attack on Corbyn tonight he gets my vote as leader...

As l have said before on this topic Gove is a slimy git but would certainly get my vote when Theresa chooses to retire


Jack........you obviously didn't see his demolition job on Corbyn tonight or else you wouldn't have come on here with that stupid comment

[Jack Staff]

Jack........you obviously didn't see his demolition job on Corbyn tonight or else you wouldn't have come on here with that stupid comment

'The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.’ - Michael Gove,

[oldbluefox]

We probably did until May negotiated them all away.

[screwy]

I saw a totally different Gove tonight.He took the fight to Corbyn and Labour.

[Jack Staff]

I suppose if you have "had enough of experts" he could be your man. I prefer someone who knows what hey are doing.

[Jack Staff]

I saw a totally different Gove tonight.He took the fight to Corbyn and Labour.

But Corbyn is on your side.

[barney]

May is like a character in a video game. Get destroyed and you just reboot. After the apocalypse all that will be left is cockroaches and TM. Corbyn had his chance to be a statesman with May's offer to talk but once again blew it. He doesn't look like a PM in waiting. Another day closer to leaving.

[barney]

Interestingly only 71 Labour MPs signed up to the call for another referendum. Even with SNP and Liberals that leaves them well short even if a few disaffected Tories join in. #deadinthewater

[Onelife]

I suppose if you have "had enough of experts" he could be your man. I prefer someone who knows what hey are doing.

Gove certainly got it right when he called the bluff on these experts....


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/mic ... ut-experts

[screwy]

I saw a totally different Gove tonight.He took the fight to Corbyn and Labour.

But Corbyn is on your side.

Corbyn will never ,ever be on any side I’m on.The man is anti - British.

[Manoverboard]

Gove's party piece on Core-Bin … ish

Having been invited by the PM to contribute ideas to help get the Brexit deal through the House he ( as in Core-Bin ) would make a suggestion. The PM would accept it and amend the deal but then he ( as in Core-Bin ) would vote against it.

What a self inflated d**k head ( as in Core-Bin not Gove )

[oldbluefox]

I suppose if you have "had enough of experts" he could be your man. I prefer someone who knows what hey are doing.

Gove certainly got it right when he called the bluff on these experts....


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/mic ... ut-experts

[screwy]

Make it look like an accident Bond.!

[Stephen]

One is not amused

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[barney]

I suppose if you have "had enough of experts" he could be your man. I prefer someone who knows what hey are doing.

Gove certainly got it right when he called the bluff on these experts....


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/mic ... ut-experts

The problem with 'expert economists' is that they can just use the best guess scenario because it's a prediction or a forecast.
It only becomes a fact after the event.

If you purchase a financial product, they are now obliged to inform you that future values are not assured, just because of past values.
They have to say this because they don't know what the future holds.
They can forecast, but cannot be sure.

In my business, I deal in legal precedents so, by nature, fact.
There may be the odd 'grey area' but by and large, I am dealing with certainty, as it stands at the moment.

The conclusion is that many experts in many fields can be trusted, but where economics are concerned, stick your finger in the air and hope.

[Jack Staff]

I saw a totally different Gove tonight.He took the fight to Corbyn and Labour.

But Corbyn is on your side.

Corbyn will never ,ever be on any side I’m on.The man is anti - British.

Welcome my fellow remainer then!

[screwy]

I would accept remaining if that was the only outcome after every avenue to leave had been explored but i am a Leaver. Make no mistake on that..!!

[Onelife]

I suppose if you have "had enough of experts" he could be your man. I prefer someone who knows what hey are doing.

Gove certainly got it right when he called the bluff on these experts....


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/mic ... ut-experts

The problem with 'expert economists' is that they can just use the best guess scenario because it's a prediction or a forecast.
It only becomes a fact after the event.

If you purchase a financial product, they are now obliged to inform you that future values are not assured, just because of past values.
They have to say this because they don't know what the future holds.
They can forecast, but cannot be sure.

In my business, I deal in legal precedents so, by nature, fact.
There may be the odd 'grey area' but by and large, I am dealing with certainty, as it stands at the moment.

The conclusion is that many experts in many fields can be trusted, but where economics are concerned, stick your finger in the air and hope.

Yes Barney.....its a bit like gambling on the gee gees......you know what horse should win the race but you can never predict the outcome.

That being said l did phone round a couple of my gambling buddies last Friday advising them to get on Doc Sportello last night.....won 10/1.