If I was feeling mischievous, I'd be keeping a note of all your posts that have the potential to age really badly!barney wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:41That chap on QT was quite wrong to use that anology. That was a serious crisis. Brexit will be an inconvenience at worst and probably a minor temporary blip.
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Gill W
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Mervyn and Trish
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Which we could agree. But they shouldn't get it if there's no deal.Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:58Then we go to them wanting to negotiate a trade deal.Mervyn and Trish wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 15:53We heard early on that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. So no deal. No divorce payment.
What's the first thing they are going to ask for as a condition for agreeing a trade deal?
The money that we owe them.
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Manoverboard
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Howzabout ….Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:58What's the first thing they are going to ask for as a condition for agreeing a trade deal … ?
" Would you, the UK, please continue to buy more than you sell to us cos if you don't we are in BIG trouble ".
Yes / No ?
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Gill W
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The 39bn is money we had already committed to pay. Reneging on commitments isn’t going to make them very receptiveMervyn and Trish wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 17:35Which we could agree. But they shouldn't get it if there's no deal.Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:58Then we go to them wanting to negotiate a trade deal.Mervyn and Trish wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 15:53We heard early on that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. So no deal. No divorce payment.
What's the first thing they are going to ask for as a condition for agreeing a trade deal?
The money that we owe them.
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Gill W
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Ah the old they need us more than we need them.Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 17:56Howzabout ….Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:58What's the first thing they are going to ask for as a condition for agreeing a trade deal … ?
" Would you, the UK, please continue to buy more than you sell to us cos if you don't we are in BIG trouble ".
Yes / No ?
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towny44
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Gill, I am not wanting to stop your posts, but I would like to understand more as to why you love the EU, rather than lots of idle tweets from your remainer friends. I have tried to give you my honest reasons for preferring leave, sadly with you and even Jack, we just get the party line.Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:51I'm not supporting Brussels, I'm just listening to what they are saying - and they are saying they aren't going to reopen negotiations. They haven't said this just once, they repeat it over and over.towny44 wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 15:00
Gill, what is the point of your repeated support of Brussels in your posts, we know you want to remain so there really is no need to keep reiterating your pro remain bias. No one can know for certain what the EU will do, but I expect they will listen to TM and only once they consider what she has to say and give their final response will we know the outcome. Repeating the remainer party line is terribly boring.
It's nothing to do with a pro-remain bias, it's just realism.
However if there's no point in posts with a pro-remain bias, I assume that it follows that there no point in posts with a pro-leave bias.
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oldbluefox
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I hope Germany has somewhere to sell 769,000 cars to. I can't see Their car manufacturers being happy. But will we still buy them after Brexit? Not according to the doom-mongers amongst our Remainer friends.
In the real world of course we will still buy them.
In the real world of course we will still buy them.
I was taught to be cautious
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Manoverboard
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Yes and that is because those are the raw facts of the trading situation between the UK and the EU.Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:17Ah the old they need us more than we need them.Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 17:56Howzabout ….Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:58What's the first thing they are going to ask for as a condition for agreeing a trade deal … ?
" Would you, the UK, please continue to buy more than you sell to us cos if you don't we are in BIG trouble ".
Yes / No ?
Perhaps you think that the maths is unimportant, I on the other hand do not.
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Manoverboard
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If we have a deal then I agree but if we are forced to go for the ' No Deal ' option then there could be a backlash with folk avoiding French and German products. I suspect that I would be one of them on the basis of preferring to buy products made in Britain or from Countries who are willing to make trade deals with us in our hour of need.oldbluefox wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:27I hope Germany has somewhere to sell 769,000 cars to. I can't see Their car manufacturers being happy. But will we still buy them after Brexit? Not according to the doom-mongers amongst our Remainer friends.
In the real world of course we will still buy them.
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I'm cancelling my May cruise to the Med as I don't want to spend my hard earned in their countries. I shall holiday in the UK. Many more may do the same if travelling becomes tiresome. I know my friends in Malta are very worried that this could happen. The UK tourist is a major part of their business.
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We are going to suffer but at least Johnny Foreigner is going to suffer as well. What Ho! Jolly hockey sticks!
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oldbluefox
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Agree a deal. That's the sensible solution. It's not rocket science.
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Doesn't it though? Vassal state 'n all that.
But it is better than no deal.
That's why we should keep the one we already have.
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Gill W
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towny44 wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:23Gill, I am not wanting to stop your posts, but I would like to understand more as to why you love the EU, rather than lots of idle tweets from your remainer friends. I have tried to give you my honest reasons for preferring leave, sadly with you and even Jack, we just get the party line.Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 16:51I'm not supporting Brussels, I'm just listening to what they are saying - and they are saying they aren't going to reopen negotiations. They haven't said this just once, they repeat it over and over.towny44 wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 15:00
Gill, what is the point of your repeated support of Brussels in your posts, we know you want to remain so there really is no need to keep reiterating your pro remain bias. No one can know for certain what the EU will do, but I expect they will listen to TM and only once they consider what she has to say and give their final response will we know the outcome. Repeating the remainer party line is terribly boring.
It's nothing to do with a pro-remain bias, it's just realism.
However if there's no point in posts with a pro-remain bias, I assume that it follows that there no point in posts with a pro-leave bias.
I don't particularly love the EU.
In fact until the referendum, I barely thought about them, apart from a vague feeling of pleasure if I flew to Europe and went through the EU passport holders channel.
When the referendum came round I listened to both sides, as I initially didn't know what the best way to vote was.
The thing that swayed me that all the Leave arguments were vague promises. Like the 350 million to the NHS - I thought how could they possibly KNOW that would be paid to the NHS. It seemed to me that my life had been going along ok being in the EU, everything worked smoothly, my day to day life wasn't adverserely affected, and, probably most crucially, being in the EU offered more opportunities for young people.
Everything I've learned since has reinforced to me that I made the correct decision.
I do not follow any party line or agenda. I give my honest opinions and views. Regarding the current situation, the EU have said until they are blue in the face the WA negotiations will not be reopened. They would look like right idiots if the re -opened the negotiations after all that, so I tend to believe them.
I'm sorry you think my posts are Remain sound bites. I've always posted honestly and from the heart, so I'm disappointed that you think my tweets are idle.
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Gill W
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We are one. They are 27. That's compelling enough maths for meManoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:29Yes and that is because those are the raw facts of the trading situation between the UK and the EU.Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:17Ah the old they need us more than we need them.Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 17:56
Howzabout ….
" Would you, the UK, please continue to buy more than you sell to us cos if you don't we are in BIG trouble ".
Yes / No ?
Perhaps you think that the maths is unimportant, I on the other hand do not.
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Gill W
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That's not a ringing endorsement of Brexit - 'our hour of need'Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:36If we have a deal then I agree but if we are forced to go for the ' No Deal ' option then there could be a backlash with folk avoiding French and German products. I suspect that I would be one of them on the basis of preferring to buy products made in Britain or from Countries who are willing to make trade deals with us in our hour of need.oldbluefox wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:27I hope Germany has somewhere to sell 769,000 cars to. I can't see Their car manufacturers being happy. But will we still buy them after Brexit? Not according to the doom-mongers amongst our Remainer friends.
In the real world of course we will still buy them.
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This made me laugh https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47064953
Did JC ever vote against the party line? Somewhat hypocritical.
Did JC ever vote against the party line? Somewhat hypocritical.
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Manoverboard
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That sounds like cheap point scoring to me …Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 20:50That's not a ringing endorsement of Brexit - 'our hour of need'Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:36If we have a deal then I agree but if we are forced to go for the ' No Deal ' option then there could be a backlash with folk avoiding French and German products. I suspect that I would be one of them on the basis of preferring to buy products made in Britain or from Countries who are willing to make trade deals with us in our hour of need.oldbluefox wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:27I hope Germany has somewhere to sell 769,000 cars to. I can't see Their car manufacturers being happy. But will we still buy them after Brexit? Not according to the doom-mongers amongst our Remainer friends.
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Gill W
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No - just highlighting the oddness that you support a policy you feel is going to result in our 'hour of need'Manoverboard wrote: 31 Jan 2019, 09:41That sounds like cheap point scoring to me …Gill W wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 20:50That's not a ringing endorsement of Brexit - 'our hour of need'Manoverboard wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:36
If we have a deal then I agree but if we are forced to go for the ' No Deal ' option then there could be a backlash with folk avoiding French and German products. I suspect that I would be one of them on the basis of preferring to buy products made in Britain or from Countries who are willing to make trade deals with us in our hour of need.
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Why is travel going to become tiresome? Just the other day you were saying that Brexit will be a short lived minor inconvenience.barney wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:41I'm cancelling my May cruise to the Med as I don't want to spend my hard earned in their countries. I shall holiday in the UK. Many more may do the same if travelling becomes tiresome. I know my friends in Malta are very worried that this could happen. The UK tourist is a major part of their business.
I've just paid for my May cruise, despite concerns about traffic making it difficult to get to Tilbury and the provisioning of the ship.
If It was ME cancelling a cruise because of Brexit, no doubt I would be subjected to scorn and guffaws of Project Fear!
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But will you really Barney?? That is the talk of a bigoted idealogue, not a label I would readily attach to you.barney wrote: 30 Jan 2019, 18:41I'm canceling my May cruise to the Med as I don't want to spend my hard earned in their countries. I shall holiday in the UK. Many more may do the same if traveling becomes tiresome. I know my friends in Malta are very worried that this could happen. The UK tourist is a major part of their business.
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Manoverboard
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If you had taken the trouble to read my post properly instead of just looking to nit-pic you would have noted that my ' hour of need ' comment related to a ' NO Deal ' scenario. The policy I have supported all along, albeit with reservations, is TM's.Gill W wrote: 31 Jan 2019, 09:56No - just highlighting the oddness that you support a policy you feel is going to result in our 'hour of need'
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