Brexit

[oldbluefox]

They complain we don't tell them what we want, but when we do they pull the shutters down. March 29th can't come soon enough and we will be free of this arrogant, self serving lot.

[oldbluefox]

O you are being insulting....Manc born Morecambe bred, bug*er all scouse about me....live on the banks of the Douglas with a Preston postcode.

Screwy I am the plastic Scouser

Now have a Liverpool post code, pay rates to Chorley, Southport telephone No. Sth Lancs Parliamentary constituency. A real Billy no Mates

Is that the posh part of Liverpool where all the footballers love?

[screwy]

O you are being insulting....Manc born Morecambe bred, bug*er all scouse about me....live on the banks of the Douglas with a Preston postcode.

Screwy I am the plastic Scouser

Now have a Liverpool post code, pay rates to Chorley, Southport telephone No. Sth Lancs Parliamentary constituency. A real Billy no Mates

In that case I’ll let you off,you have my sympathies.

[screwy]

O you are being insulting....Manc born Morecambe bred, bug*er all scouse about me....live on the banks of the Douglas with a Preston postcode.

Screwy I am the plastic Scouser

Now have a Liverpool post code, pay rates to Chorley, Southport telephone No. Sth Lancs Parliamentary constituency. A real Billy no Mates

Is that the posh part of Liverpool where all the footballers love?

If you mean Southport OBF then yes,nowt posh about Southport nowadays,full of scousers and East Europeans,Grandaughter said they shouldn’t teach French in school,just concentrate on Polish and Whaterver they speak in the Baltic’s.

[oldbluefox]

Sadly the same has happened to many coastal towns Ray, although from your description I was thinking more Formby. However, like its neighbour Blackpool there are some lovely places to live, it's not all run down (but don't tell that lot from the south!!!).

[barney]

I'm not sure but I think I heard a foreign accent in Instow the other day

[screwy]

Don’t tell me you had a Cornish invader...

[oldbluefox]

We get a lot of Polish workers in the hotels up here and I have to admit what polite, pleasant and helpful young people they are.

Had to laugh at the woman in the newsagents the other day. She said she had been down to London. She was quite affronted.
"Do you know down there they don't even look at you let alone speak to you!!" Around these parts everybody speaks, even the sheep!!! Clearly she had never come across London ways before (although we often chat to people on the Tube, although they are usually foreigners and know no better ).

[barney]

Don’t tell me you had a Cornish invader...

Down here they consider anyone not born and bred as a foreigner I spoke to a chap the other day in Appledore and asked if he had always lived there. No he replied. He moved there when he was four so technically correct

[Gill W]

They complain we don't tell them what we want, but when we do they pull the shutters down. March 29th can't come soon enough and we will be free of this arrogant, self serving lot.

Have we told them what we want? Last I knew were looking for ‘alternative arrangements to the backstop’, but nobody has yet been able to articulate what the alternatives are. We’ve had a working party on the case for three days, so May should finally be able to say ‘what we want’ tomorrow.

I’m not holding my breath though.

[Stephen]

They complain we don't tell them what we want, but when we do they pull the shutters down. March 29th can't come soon enough and we will be free of this arrogant, self serving lot.

[Stephen]

Sadly the same has happened to many coastal towns Ray, although from your description I was thinking more Formby. However, like its neighbour Blackpool there are some lovely places to live, it's not all run down (but don't tell that lot from the south!!!).

Don't worry Foxy. Hell will freeze over first before my satnav see's a northern post code

[oldbluefox]

They complain we don't tell them what we want, but when we do they pull the shutters down. March 29th can't come soon enough and we will be free of this arrogant, self serving lot.

Have we told them what we want? Last I knew were looking for ‘alternative arrangements to the backstop’, but nobody has yet been able to articulate what the alternatives are. We’ve had a working party on the case for three days, so May should finally be able to say ‘what we want’ tomorrow.

I’m not holding my breath though.

"No, non , nein"
"The UK cannot cherry pick"
"The withdrawal bill is non negotiable"
Which part of that says they are open to negotiation no matter what we take to the table?

[oldbluefox]

Sadly the same has happened to many coastal towns Ray, although from your description I was thinking more Formby. However, like its neighbour Blackpool there are some lovely places to live, it's not all run down (but don't tell that lot from the south!!!).

Don't worry Foxy. Hell will freeze over first before my satnav see's a northern post code

[Mervyn and Trish]

What I am still not getting is that if we leave with no deal there will be no backstop. Despite what TM says that means there will be a hard border in Ireland. The EU will insist on it to protect the single market.

The only logic then for the EU and for Ireland in resisting any renegotiation is that they still believe they can bully the UK into not leaving.

[barney]

With just 50 days to go before the Brexit deadline, EU officials are deeply worried about the risks of a no-deal outcome
Bit late for them to wake up isn’t it?
A little more give and a lot less take and we’d likely have had an amicable divorce by now.
But it was not to be.
Brussels wanted its pound of flesh and to make sure it was seen to get it.
But this time the extortion didn’t work.

It really is very simple.
If the EU removes or ammends the ‘backstop’ from the proposed Withdrawal Agreement, it will have a Brexit deal.
If it doesn’t, then there will be a ‘no deal’ Brexit.
Maybe one definition of ‘hell’ is uncertainty.
But the choice the EU has to make in the next 50 days is as certain as any choice it will make over the next few years.

[Gill W]

They complain we don't tell them what we want, but when we do they pull the shutters down. March 29th can't come soon enough and we will be free of this arrogant, self serving lot.

Have we told them what we want? Last I knew were looking for ‘alternative arrangements to the backstop’, but nobody has yet been able to articulate what the alternatives are. We’ve had a working party on the case for three days, so May should finally be able to say ‘what we want’ tomorrow.

I’m not holding my breath though.

"No, non , nein"
"The UK cannot cherry pick"
"The withdrawal bill is non negotiable"
Which part of that says they are open to negotiation no matter what we take to the table?

We never take anything new to the table (my comment about the working party was ironic)

[Gill W]

With just 50 days to go before the Brexit deadline, EU officials are deeply worried about the risks of a no-deal outcome
Bit late for them to wake up isn’t it?
A little more give and a lot less take and we’d likely have had an amicable divorce by now.
But it was not to be.
Brussels wanted its pound of flesh and to make sure it was seen to get it.
But this time the extortion didn’t work.

It really is very simple.
If the EU removes or ammends the ‘backstop’ from the proposed Withdrawal Agreement, it will have a Brexit deal.
If it doesn’t, then there will be a ‘no deal’ Brexit.
Maybe one definition of ‘hell’ is uncertainty.
But the choice the EU has to make in the next 50 days is as certain as any choice it will make over the next few years.

I think the EU officials have woken up - they'll be pleased to see the back of us after all this.

We have (had) an agreement, it's not the EU wanting to 'extort' more, it's us who keep wanting to reopen negotiations, not them.

It's us who needs to make the choice, not the EU. We have to accept May's deal, revoke Article 50 or proceed on a no deal Brexit.

Personally, I think we've reached the point of no return. It's almost certainly going a no deal Brexit.

I hope everyone is preparing accordingly.

[towny44]

The remainers seem convinced that its the UK who are the problem, whilst we leavers know its the bloody minded EU unelected overpaid officials that are the stumbling block to an agreement.
Whatever the outcome the fractured nature of the UK population is going to take ages to heal, and that is solely due to our membership and acrimonious exit from the EU.

[Mervyn and Trish]

We have (had) an agreement, it's not the EU wanting to 'extort' more, it's us who keep wanting to reopen negotiations, not them.

I have to disagree Gill. We never had a deal. We had a proposed deal. It was never to be a deal until ratified in Parliament and the EU knew that.

They also know we have no choice but to return to look again at the proposed deal. Without doing so there are only two choices. They have believed we would take the change our minds option. That has been their negotiating strategy throughout.

As for us needing to take something to the table. We are the only people who ever have. Maybe that is right since it is us who are leaving but they really cannot pretend to have done all the legwork.

And now we want to bring something to the table to break the deadlock and their only response, even before they've seen what it might be, is to say no and make childish insults.

I know we will never agree, and I respect that, but surely even the most ardent Remainers must see that this is like red rags to a bull from people who failed in politics in their own countries and now want to rule the continent. I can never respect them.

[Jack Staff]

I know we will never agree, and I respect that, but surely even the most ardent Remainers must see that this is like red rags to a bull from people who failed in politics in their own countries and now want to rule the continent. I can never respect them.

It is our country that is falling apart, nation by nation (Scot/W/NI), citizen against citizen, evidenced even here.
Surely that is because of "people who failed in politics in their own country"?

[barney]

To put into context, this WA agreement was similar to a Union Rep negotiating with an Employer.
They may agree terms but it has to go back to the members to be ratified.
If they reject it, it's either a renegotiation or strike action.

In this instance, the UK parliament has rejected it.

So it's either a renegotiation or strike action (in this case, leave with no WA)

The EU team have said that they will not speak again about it so that leaves just one conclusion.

We leave the EU on March 29th without an agreement and the consequences are what they are, for both sides.

Interestingly, Barnier was employed specifically to negotiate a withdrawal agreement and has failed spectacularly.
His ambition of being a big EU player has just died a slow death.

By the way Jack, our country is not falling apart.
Hyperbolic rubbish.
The SNP want to leave the UK, whether in or out or the EU - fact
NI is religiously split, whether in or out of the EU - fact
Wales - there is little appetite for independence in Wales, never really has been - fact

Never let a fact get in the way of a good rant eh!

[towny44]

I know we will never agree, and I respect that, but surely even the most ardent Remainers must see that this is like red rags to a bull from people who failed in politics in their own countries and now want to rule the continent. I can never respect them.

It is our country that is falling apart, nation by nation (Scot/W/NI), citizen against citizen, evidenced even here.
Surely that is because of "people who failed in politics in their own country"?

Correct me if I am wrong but were we not in the EU when the Scots held their last 2 independence referendums?

[barney]

I didn't even realise that they had held two John but definitely remember the last one. We were definitely in the EU. I remember Cameron telling them that the only way they could remain in the EU was to stick with the UK. Politicians getting it wrong? Who'd a thought it?. If the majority vote to leave the UK I'm cool with that. That's sort of how it's supposed to work.

[towny44]

I didn't even realise that they had held two John but definitely remember the last one. We were definitely in the EU. I remember Cameron telling them that the only way they could remain in the EU was to stick with the UK. Politicians getting it wrong? Who'd a thought it?. If the majority vote to leave the UK I'm cool with that. That's sort of how it's supposed to work.

I agree totally Barney, if they achieve a majority leave vote, then democracy demands that we all agree, even the remain voters.