Brexit

[Jack Staff]

And France is peaceful now with riots in the street every weekend or is that just weekend recreation

Why would the EU interfere in an internal French matter? If they did I'm sure the you would be one of the first to complain.

[barney]

Looks like Jezza has been worn down and the devout Eurosceptic will now campaign for a second referendum. More flippy floppy than May.

[towny44]

and then they joined the EU and it's been peaceful since.

Some of the minnows joined the EU, probably to provide themselves with some sort of insurance from further Serbian interference, although their membership of NATO probably gives them much better protection.

[Onelife]

I hope Theresa May resigns rather than be pressured into taking no deal off the table. Any extention won't be a few weeks it will be years...or until such time that the traitors get their own way

[barney]

I hope Theresa May resigns rather than be pressured into taking no deal off the table. Any extention won't be a few weeks it will be years...or until such time that the traitors get their own way

If I was her, I'd have been gone already.
She is clearly way out of her depth.

To be a PM means leading, and she has shown little of that.

She should have made her own mind up on which direction to take, either way, and stuck to it.

Can you imagine Thatcher or Blair flipping and flopping between different factions and trying to please everyone.

[towny44]

I hope Theresa May resigns rather than be pressured into taking no deal off the table. Any extention won't be a few weeks it will be years...or until such time that the traitors get their own way

If I was her, I'd have been gone already.
She is clearly way out of her depth.

To be a PM means leading, and she has shown little of that.

She should have made her own mind up on which direction to take, either way, and stuck to it.

Can you imagine Thatcher or Blair flipping and flopping between different factions and trying to please everyone.

Strangely enough I think she has stuck to her negotiating plan, but of course compromises have had to be made with the EU during the negotiating process. In my opinion where she failed was in not getting the DUP and ERG onside before agreeing the final draft with the EU, although this was always going to be the problem.
In hindsight she should have made the Brexit negotiating team a cross party affair immediately she took office, it would have required some creative thinking but having separate cabinet discussions on Brexit might have been the way to keep the other parties on board. Any outcome then would have been rubber stamped by parliament immediately it had been finalised.

[Onelife]

I hope Theresa May resigns rather than be pressured into taking no deal off the table. Any extention won't be a few weeks it will be years...or until such time that the traitors get their own way

If I was her, I'd have been gone already.
She is clearly way out of her depth.

To be a PM means leading, and she has shown little of that.

She should have made her own mind up on which direction to take, either way, and stuck to it.

Can you imagine Thatcher or Blair flipping and flopping between different factions and trying to please everyone.

All too simplistic Barney.....no one could have envisaged remainers not accepting the democratic vote, a position which has compromised her negotiating position every step of the way.

[Ray Scully]

Looks like Jezza has been worn down and the devout Eurosceptic will now campaign for a second referendum. More flippy floppy than May.

Not flippy floppy but fantasy coming up against reality.

[towny44]

Looks like Jezza has been worn down and the devout Eurosceptic will now campaign for a second referendum. More flippy floppy than May.

Not flippy floppy but fantasy coming up against reality.

You don't really believe that about Corbyn Ray, he has not had a realistic idea in his whole life.

[Ray Scully]

Looks like Jezza has been worn down and the devout Eurosceptic will now campaign for a second referendum. More flippy floppy than May.

Not flippy floppy but fantasy coming up against reality.

You don't really believe that about Corbyn Ray, he has not had a realistic idea in his whole life.

Barney, then being an MP he will be in good company

[towny44]

After the PMs statement the onus is now on the ERG & DUP, they either have to vote for her WA or risk staying in the EU indefinitely. I wonder what they will do now?

[Onelife]

Hi John

I don't think we have to worry about the ERG....when push comes to shove they will fall in line behind the only sensible deal on the table. The DÙP will be a harder nut to crack but if there is a deal to be had Theresa is the one to get it.


She is standing strong and as far as l am concerned she needs to keep kicking the can until all 80% of MP's honour what they voted for.

[Ray Scully]

After the PMs statement the onus is now on the ERG & DUP, they either have to vote for her WA or risk staying in the EU indefinitely. I wonder what they will do now?

Simple, being people of principle they will vote against TM's 'deal' given that both think it is a worst outcome than remaining.

[towny44]

After the PMs statement the onus is now on the ERG & DUP, they either have to vote for her WA or risk staying in the EU indefinitely. I wonder what they will do now?

Simple, being people of principle they will vote against TM's 'deal' given that both think it is a worst outcome than remaining.

Actually 90%+ of their grievance is with the Irish backstop and how to extricate ourselves from it, most of the rest they are happy about but with the proviso that the trade negotiations go favourably. However I am hoping that their desire to leave the EU will eventually outweigh their issues with the WA.

[johnds]

I despair at the idiocy of Corbyn and Starmer who now say that the official Labour party policy is that if Mrs May's deal is approved by parliament on 12th March they want the decision of parliament to be endorsed by a public referendum with the option of remain in the vote. Don't they realise how long that will take ? 6 months ? longer? All the while prolonging the uncertainty that they say they wish to avoid. Nuts. Their own policy is completely contrary to the decision to leave taken in June 16. Wasn't it one of the Marx brothers who said "These are my principles and if you don't like them i have others"
MPs of both main parties are running round like headless chickens (which many are) proposing this and that to satisfy their own idiosyncracies without any thought of the interests of the country

[Onelife]

Two things came out of tonight's vote...Corbyn has basically played his last card.... and lost....the other is that it sends a clear message to Brussels that we don't want to be in their customs union or a signal market so they might just as well throw in the towel and take off the shackles.

Don't you just love Theresa

[Manoverboard]

Absolutely ….

[Stephen]

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[Jack Staff]

What Churchill actually said when he was alive was...
“There is a remedy which ... would in a few years make all Europe ... free and ... happy.
It is to re-create the European family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace,
in safety and in freedom.
We must build a kind of United States of Europe.”

University of Zurich in 1946:

[Stephen]

That was 1946 Jack

[Jack Staff]

That was 1946 Jack

So?

[Mervyn and Trish]

What Churchill actually said when he was alive was...
“There is a remedy which ... would in a few years make all Europe ... free and ... happy.
It is to re-create the European family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace,
in safety and in freedom.
We must build a kind of United States of Europe.”

Clearly the EU has failed there then! I don't think the unemployed youth of Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal etc. are very happy.

And more than half of those who voted here clearly aren't!

So I very much doubt he had in mind what it has turned into. But we'll never know.

[Stephen]

See original post Jack. The clue is in the title.

[Jack Staff]

See original post Jack. The clue is in the title.

Yes, It is something that someone just made up.

I quoted something he actually said. Granted time has moved on.

[towny44]

See original post Jack. The clue is in the title.

Yes, It is something that someone just made up.

I quoted something he actually said. Granted time has moved on.

But what you failed to quote was Churchill's other comment that he did not believe the UK should be part of a united states of Europe.