Brexit

[Gill W]

It's certainly the remainers in Parliament who have been the problem, if the MPs views on brexit were similar to the country at large things might have been different.

How do you know what the country at large thinks?
You only have a flawed vote from three years ago.

Well there are still opinion polls that keep being done, and these seem to indicate an almost 50/50 split, albeit in remain favour now. I would happily cull the 650 so that there is a similar split in parliament.

I thought we didn’t bother with opinion polls on this forum?

As we are bothering with them at the moment, for some time now, Remain have been in the lead, latest one was showing Remain at 55%

I actually took part in the You Gov poll on 14/15 March

[Manoverboard]

Legitimate referendum? The one where the Leave campaigns broke the law?

I am certain that one of your posts told the Leavers to " Move on " …

Tell Barney stop banging on about the referendum, then we can all move on!

You tell him yourself, I'm a sovereign Member

[towny44]

Well there are still opinion polls that keep being done, and these seem to indicate an almost 50/50 split, albeit in remain favour now. I would happily cull the 650 so that there is a similar split in parliament.

I thought we didn’t bother with opinion polls on this forum?

As we are bothering with them at the moment, for some time now, Remain have been in the lead, latest one was showing Remain at 55%

I actually took part in the You Gov poll on 14/15 March

You gov know my views and have stopped sending me political polls!
I would be quite happy to cull remain supporting MPs to 55%, from its current 75%+.

[oldbluefox]

Polls prior to the referendum showed the Remain camp in the lead. Just saying.........

[towny44]

Sorry John, this is just a rant.
For a start the EU is not federal. Member states are sovereign and only the ones that want to be are in a currency union.
I know your emotions run high on this, but please get a grip on reality.

Jack, as usual you are being selective with your answers, ignore my federal claim which I agree really does not matter, however I would like you to enter into sensible discussions about how the Euro can survive when its being asked to hold 17 conflicting economies together, when they really need to operate separately. I realise this might be a bit of a stretch for you but as you want to remain in the EU you really need to consider how it will cope if and when the Euro implodes.

[Jack Staff]

Jack, as usual you are being selective with your answers, ignore my federal claim which I agree really does not matter, however I would like you to enter into sensible discussions about how the Euro can survive when its being asked to hold 17 conflicting economies together, when they really need to operate separately. I realise this might be a bit of a stretch for you but as you want to remain in the EU you really need to consider how it will cope if and when the Euro implodes.

Your federal claim was wrong.
Why do you care so much about the Euro? It has nothing to do with our relationship to the EU.
Why do you presuppose the Euro will implode? That is purely wishful thinking on your part.
It is quite possible that some countries could leave, if they wanted to.
I would like you to explain, if it's not a bit of a stretch for you, to explain how the Pound can work simultaneously in Mayfair and (say) Oldham? The situation is the same, only a difference of scale.

No, I'm not being slippery, or whatever else you might want to accuse me of. I simply do not accept your starting point or the relevance of it.

[Jack Staff]

I provide this as a service to my Brexity friends in case they have not already been informed....
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THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT AND NEEDS TO BE SPREAD TO EVERYONE GOING TO LONDON ON THE 29TH.... If there is civil unrest, riots etc before the 29th March up until 11pm (23:00) on that day, then under the lisbon treaty 222 they can class it as domestic terrorism and it would be unlawful. Anything after 11pm on the 29th of March 2019 would be lawful because it is treason towards the people according to the laws of the land (Magna Carte) common law.
The government will be hoping that we will kick off /cause trouble before 11pm (22:00). They may plant people to cause trouble, so they can call martial law, so keep a watchful eye out for "plants", and do NOT be enticed to start a riot. Keep calm and keep your phones rolling. This governemnt is so corrupt and running so scared they will do anything to keep us in the EU. Please, please check this out for yourselves. NOTHING must happen before 11pm. If we come out of the EU it'll be celebrations. If not ........ stay safe people!
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Dated yesterday. I am ashamed to say this is not parody.

[towny44]

Probably a re-tweet or facebook share Jack, provenance unknown and hopefully will be ignored by all but the lunatic fringe.

[oldbluefox]

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[towny44]

Your federal claim was wrong.
I already agreed that was an overstatement, but if you want Margate and Mannheim to be considered equals, it will need to come.
Why do you care so much about the Euro? It has nothing to do with our relationship to the EU.
Why do you presuppose the Euro will implode? That is purely wishful thinking on your part.
It is quite possible that some countries could leave, if they wanted to.
It take up an increasing resource to keep the euro-zone stable, not all of which can be isolated from the main EU budget.
Most economist think the Euro is a flawed concept, it only srvives because of the strength of the German economy, that ever falters it will fail.
My understanding is that the EU would like to make the Euro compulsary, certainly for new entrants, and ultimately for all.
I would like you to explain, if it's not a bit of a stretch for you, to explain how the Pound can work simultaneously in Mayfair and (say) Oldham? The situation is the same, only a difference of scale.
Oldham and Mayfair are part of the same fiscal entity and even in the UK we know how difficult it is to ensure that wealth and employment is fairly spread. I don't think that you genuinely believe the Euro-zone has found a way to overcome these factors which even the Worlds largest federal economy struggles to achieve, but maybe you're more gullible than I am.
No, I'm not being slippery, or whatever else you might want to accuse me of. I simply do not accept your starting point or the relevance of it.

[Stephen]

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You beat me to it Foxy

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[Jack Staff]

Probably a re-tweet or facebook share Jack, provenance unknown and hopefully will be ignored by all but the lunatic fringe.

No probably about it. I do know who posted it, but chose not to credit it. If you want more details I can give you the link.
Just highlighting that the 'lunatic fringe' believe this rubbish and as Barney often mentions they (if there was enough) could be dangerous.
This is what Brexit has done, enabled and empowered the uneducated, spurred on by the over educated for their own ends.

Coming a week after Remainers had a very large number on the streets with no problems, I find this depressing. But lets see if anything actually comes of it, or it is just more lies/propaganda from the far right.

[Jack Staff]

Your federal claim was wrong.
I already agreed that was an overstatement, but .....

John, you clearly have a problem with 'federal' and Eurozone. I realise this has been and still is the type of rubbish promoted by the leave campaign.
Let me try and explain. There is a movement in the EU for federalisation. Just as there are movements in the UK for and against Brexit. Some people want, it others do not. Luckily, the EU being democratic, we will come up with the answer 'the people' want.
But when it comes to federalism there is a problem, even if 'the people' did want it, the current set up is of sovereign member states.
Do you really think that any reasonable parliament would vote away all of it's control to create an EU superstate?
I will admit that due to the incompetence of our present shower they are indeed voting today on becoming a "vassal state", but most of the governments of the EU are sensible. They have power and will not give it away.
As regards the Eurozone, I still do not understand why you care so much. It has nothing to do with us (yet). You are correct that (in theory) new member states must adopt it. By leaving because of Brexit, we will (in theory) have to take it up when we rejoin.
If the Euro takes up too much resources, as you predict, it will fail, as you say. That does not involve us. But it isn't failing, is it? Sure, there are problems, as with any currency.
You are making up future problems to be scared of, when you should be looking at what is actually happening to our country right now.

[barney]

Let's hope that parliament does it job and rejects that terrible EU withdrawal agreement. Hopefully common sense will kick in and we can then get on with the business of leaving the EU. We can but hope.

[Jack Staff]

Let's hope that parliament does it job and rejects that terrible EU withdrawal agreement. Hopefully common sense will kick in and we can then get on with the business of leaving the EU. We can but hope.

You spelt leading with a v.
Funny how we can totally agree, but for one letter.

[towny44]

Let's hope that parliament does it job and rejects that terrible EU withdrawal agreement. Hopefully common sense will kick in and we can then get on with the business of leaving the EU. We can but hope.

You spelt leading with a v.
Funny how we can totally agree, but for one letter.

You are a card Jack, that's the sort of gag that Groucho Marx might have uttered, but he would have made his audience laugh.

[barney]

Honestly, let's just bring this whole sorry mess to it's natural conclusion. Leave won, let's leave. No ifs or buts. Just leave. Why bother extending. Ultimately we are going to leave.

[Gill W]

As I’ve been saying for weeks, the deal is dead. This must be the final nail in the coffin

[barney]

a bad deal is a bad deal whichever way you dress it up. With no agreement on anything else it's no brexit or no deal

[Jack Staff]

No. 10 Press conference 5pm. Just a rumour atm.

[barney]

Hopefully she'll quit. General election. Watch the brexit party fly.

[barney]

Where are all of the Stop Brexit folk who are normally encamped outside Parliament? Avoiding confrontation with the Leave contingent?

[Jack Staff]

Where are all of the Stop Brexit folk who are normally encamped outside Parliament? Avoiding confrontation with the Leave contingent?

Yes. The usual protest was called off earlier in the week. It's a nasty crowd gathering there today, who don't need an excuse to kick off.

[Ray Scully]

Where are all of the Stop Brexit folk who are normally encamped outside Parliament? Avoiding confrontation with the Leave contingent?

Yes. The usual protest was called off earlier in the week. It's a nasty crowd gathering there today, who don't need an excuse to kick off.

I see Tommy Robinson is amongst the speakers.