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[Jack Staff]

"The crazy thing about this is - even though I know exactly what happened during the Boer wars - Rees-Mogg's measured tone and deep self-confidence made me second-guess myself. The deep-rooted urge in British culture to defer to aristocratic authority is truly terrifying."

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south- ... -own-good/

[Manoverboard]

"The crazy thing about this is - even though I know exactly what happened during the Boer wars - Rees-Mogg's measured tone and deep self-confidence made me second-guess myself. The deep-rooted urge in British culture to defer to aristocratic authority is truly terrifying."

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south- ... -own-good/

It’s the old trap - someone speaks in a posh voice and in modulated tones, is deemed ‘good at debating’.

Goodness me … have to say that I have never had such fears, concerns or class biases so can only assume yours ( or theirs ) are ( were ) based on an inner insecurity, inverted snobbery or perhaps a mind set based on left wing ideals.

Such values are oh so 50s don'tcha know


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[barney]

It’s the old trap - someone speaks in a posh voice and in modulated tones, is deemed ‘good at debating’.

Betcha that you wouldn't be saying that if he was a staunch Remainer.

[Gill W]

"The crazy thing about this is - even though I know exactly what happened during the Boer wars - Rees-Mogg's measured tone and deep self-confidence made me second-guess myself. The deep-rooted urge in British culture to defer to aristocratic authority is truly terrifying."

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south- ... -own-good/

It’s the old trap - someone speaks in a posh voice and in modulated tones, is deemed ‘good at debating’.

Goodness me … have to say that I have never had such fears, concerns or class biases so can only assume yours ( or theirs ) are ( were ) based on an inner insecurity, inverted snobbery or perhaps a mind set based on left wing ideals.

Such values are oh so 50s don'tcha know


.

I haven't personally got the fears, concerns or class biases or insecurites you mention - I listen what is actually being said. SOME people are impressed by Rees Mogg, but I find what he says to be very empty.

I haven't voted Labour since 1979, so it's certainly not left wing ideals

[barney]

"The crazy thing about this is - even though I know exactly what happened during the Boer wars - Rees-Mogg's measured tone and deep self-confidence made me second-guess myself. The deep-rooted urge in British culture to defer to aristocratic authority is truly terrifying."

https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south- ... -own-good/

It’s the old trap - someone speaks in a posh voice and in modulated tones, is deemed ‘good at debating’.

Goodness me … have to say that I have never had such fears, concerns or class biases so can only assume yours ( or theirs ) are ( were ) based on an inner insecurity, inverted snobbery or perhaps a mind set based on left wing ideals.

Such values are oh so 50s don'tcha know


.

I haven't personally got the fears, concerns or class biases or insecurites you mention - I listen what is actually being said. SOME people are impressed by Rees Mogg, but I find what he says to be very empty.

I haven't voted Labour since 1979, so it's certainly not left wing ideals

I lived in a massive Tory area in Cranbrook, but voted for the Labour candidate, just to give them hope for the future.
They always lost their deposit.
In the local elections, I tend to vote for an independent.

[david63]

Had to have a smile today when I heard on the news that Scotland were having a summit about drug related deaths in Scotland and need help from the UK Government - what happened to independence?

[towny44]

I am equally surprised as to why the SNP is so desperate to stay in the EU, and equally as desperate to leave the UK, clearly one union is OK whilst the other isn't, strange that.

[oldbluefox]

Seems rather paradoxical to me as well, but if that is what the Scots want then I say let the SNP have their wish. No point in hanging on to a nation whose people don't want to be there.

[barney]

Why are Nationalists considered bad but the SNP is not.
Imagine if there was an English National Party.
That would be considered racist.

[oldbluefox]

Are the English the only ones who can be described as xenophobes?

[towny44]

Why are Nationalists considered bad but the SNP is not.
Imagine if there was an English National Party.
That would be considered racist.

Very true, but why??

[towny44]

Are the English the only ones who can be described as xenophobes?

I suspect Donald Trump's supporters also qualify.

[Stephen]

Had to have a smile today when I heard on the news that Scotland were having a summit about drug related deaths in Scotland and need help from the UK Government - what happened to independence?

Exactly.

[Gill W]

Seems rather paradoxical to me as well, but if that is what the Scots want then I say let the SNP have their wish. No point in hanging on to a nation whose people don't want to be there.

They voted to stay in the union in a referendum. It is the will of the Scottish people.

Thwarting the will of the people is anti democratic and to try and overturn to will of the people by holding a second referendum is also anti democratic.

The Scots spoke in 2014. They can’t change their minds now, every though events have completely changed the political landscape. A referendum is set in stone forever.

( obviously to be read with large amounts of irony)

[Gill W]

Why are Nationalists considered bad but the SNP is not.
Imagine if there was an English National Party.
That would be considered racist.

Very true, but why??

Usually because far right knuckle dragging racists flock to such parties.

[towny44]

Why are Nationalists considered bad but the SNP is not.
Imagine if there was an English National Party.
That would be considered racist.

Very true, but why??

Usually because far right knuckle dragging racists flock to such parties.

I will advice Nicola Sturgeon what you think of her!

[barney]

There is a fair bit of anti English sentiment in Scottish politics which for some reason seems acceptable.
I'm with OBF.
As a person who believes in democracy, if they choose to leave the union, then that is their will.

Instead of being a supplicant country to England, they can be supplicant to the EU.

At least if they join the EU, they will get treated as an equal. That doesn't happen in the UK.

Northern Ireland may be next. We sub them to the tune of 9 billion a year. That could go a long way in paying for elderly care in England.
Ireland can pick up the tab if they can afford it.

The United Kingdom can only survive if all countries wish it.
The whole reason for existence of SNP is to leave the UK.
Irrespective of brexit.

[Gill W]

Very true, but why??

Usually because far right knuckle dragging racists flock to such parties.

I will advice Nicola Sturgeon what you think of her!

My post had nothing to do with Nicola Sturgeon.

The point in question was why are ENGLISH nationalist parties considered racist

You asked why.

My suggestion is because English nationalist parties always dog whistle racists.

[Gill W]

There is a fair bit of anti English sentiment in Scottish politics which for some reason seems acceptable.
I'm with OBF.
As a person who believes in democracy, if they choose to leave the union, then that is their will.

Instead of being a supplicant country to England, they can be supplicant to the EU.

At least if they join the EU, they will get treated as an equal. That doesn't happen in the UK.

Northern Ireland may be next. We sub them to the tune of 9 billion a year. That could go a long way in paying for elderly care in England.
Ireland can pick up the tab if they can afford it.

The United Kingdom can only survive if all countries wish it.
The whole reason for existence of SNP is to leave the UK.
Irrespective of brexit.

They chose to stay - that is their will.

[barney]

Absolutely Gill, but that won't stop the SNP banging on about another vote, will it.

It seems that some folk just cannot accept a result when it happens, can they?

We are going to end up with Johnson as PM.
I just have to accept it, don't I?
(until the GE, and even then, he will probably win that)

[Happydays]

Seems rather paradoxical to me as well, but if that is what the Scots want then I say let the SNP have their wish. No point in hanging on to a nation whose people don't want to be there.

This is not what the nation voted for we voted to remain part of the UK it's the SNP who will do and say anything to get another referendum they want independence come what may. They have a very limited view on everything!! We can't understand the mentality of the hard SNP why they would want independence but stay in the EU beggars belief As for oil that's never mentioned now
Shall stop now as it doesm't do my blood pressure any good

[barney]

It does seem a bit bizarre to an outsider, to have a policy of leaving the UK but join the EU.
Shengen and the Euro should be enough to put most folk off.
Plus the amount of jobs that would have to be transferred to England for security reasons.

What do you think the outcome of the next Scottish referendum will be?
Stay with their union or go your own way ?

[towny44]

Seems rather paradoxical to me as well, but if that is what the Scots want then I say let the SNP have their wish. No point in hanging on to a nation whose people don't want to be there.

This is not what the nation voted for we voted to remain part of the UK it's the SNP who will do and say anything to get another referendum they want independence come what may. They have a very limited view on everything!! We can't understand the mentality of the hard SNP why they would want independence but stay in the EU beggars belief As for oil that's never mentioned now
Shall stop now as it doesm't do my blood pressure any good

What do you think will be the impact of Unionist Boris refusing to allow another referendum, will this be seen as a positive or negative action by the majority of Scots.

[Manoverboard]

The outcome of that is very clear as we never hear the ' majority ' view.

[oldbluefox]

Seems rather paradoxical to me as well, but if that is what the Scots want then I say let the SNP have their wish. No point in hanging on to a nation whose people don't want to be there.

This is not what the nation voted for we voted to remain part of the UK it's the SNP who will do and say anything to get another referendum they want independence come what may. They have a very limited view on everything!! We can't understand the mentality of the hard SNP why they would want independence but stay in the EU beggars belief As for oil that's never mentioned now
Shall stop now as it doesm't do my blood pressure any good

I see parallels between what is happening in Scotland and what is happening in UK.
The Scots had a referendum and voted to stay in the UK.
The UK had a referendum and voted to leave the EU.
In both instances there are those who are hell bent on overturning the results, I hope you didn't misunderstand me HappyDays. Whatever the people of Scotland decide that should be the end of it but as long as the SNP are in power I doubt it ever will be. Some Scots are living in the past and are still banging on about Edward's army!!!!