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[oldbluefox]

What she should have said to them, please wear a face covering or leave the premises. And if they get all bolshy then call the police. But no doubt profit comes before the health and safety of others. And they're in the health game

Even easier - a sign at the door

NO MASK
NO ENTRY
NO EXCUSES

They find HANDS, FACE, SPACE confusing so what hope have we with another set of instructions?

[Onelife]

From where I am the current rules are working. The north west infection rate is falling as indicated by your beloved, can do no wrong, Zoe app.

You need to begin to accept that there will be thousands of deaths from Covid-19 for many years to come - there will no miracle cure that will stop people from dying from it. They have not found a way to stop people dying from flu and that has been arounf for decades.

Covid-19 will be around for at least the next 100 years so we all need to accept it and the consequences of it.

Don’t you mean the rate in which they are increasing is falling, the R rate is still above one in Lancashire/ North West.

With respect David, what you need to accept is that the three-tier system isn’t bringing down the numbers sufficiently in order to bring this pandemic to a manageable level. The only way to do this, “in my expert opinion” is to bring in a system that can be policed…. a lock-down is the only way I can see this being done. Unfurtunatly what could have been a three week lock down will probably end up being a five/six-week lock-down when they finally get round to doing it, that is.

Btw…which tea leaves did you use to make your predictions?

You don't need tea leaves to know that unless you impose Marshall Law, in the current situation whichever lockdown system you employ will be flouted by sufficient people to allow the virus to continue spreading.
During the first lockdown we all expected it to end and things would begin to get back to normal which was why it was well observed. We now know that was very much wishful thinking on everyone's part.
We now have a situation where a high percentage of the population do not want tighter restrictions and will do everything in their power to avoid observing them.
As a result no lockdown will now work and we just have to try and live with the virus until a vaccine is available. A looser tiered lockdown stands far more chance of being well observed, and thus keeping the R rate as low as possible, it probably would never get us back to the June/July situation, but neither will a full lockdown without very strict policing, and we don't have the manpower for this, and any govt that brings in Marshall Law in these circumstances will lose the next election, and probably a few dozen more.

Hi John, I would change your brand of tea leaves if I was you, your latest cuppa submission seems a little over brewed.

I think our police will be more than capable of controlling “sufficient amounts of people” once the numbers are at a manageable level….this of course will largely depend on what approach the government takes....with regard to their interpretation of what a lock down means…hopefully none of the previous micky mouse measures that have led to where we are now…if they have woken up and smelt the coffee there’s no reason why stricter post lockdown measure’s shouldn’t keep the virus at bay.

I didn’t expect things would get back to normal neither I would suspect did others.

I actually think a high percentage of the population do now want tighter restrictions as they can now see the results of indecisiveness by this dithering government.

You better hope that a lockdown does work John because hospital staff don’t run on rechargeable batteries.

“A looser tiered lockdown stands far more chance of being well observed, and thus keeping the R rate as low as possible”, …you need to sit yourself down with some Yorkshire Gold and reflect on that comment

[Kendhni]

It's not the government spreading the virus, it's not the NHS. It's those who flout the rules for whatever the reason. And the rest of us suffer the consequences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7MChtM ... ndependent

Which is why I would be in favour of Police Officers being on a 5-10% commission for every fine they hand out. Give the police an incentive to make these selfish vermin abide by the rules.

I did not have you down as a Police State supporter Ken.

That is an incredibly large leap you have taken there ...do you not think it would have been better to maybe ask a few questions before jumping straight to the strawman.

[Kendhni]

I actually think a high percentage of the population do now want tighter restrictions as they can now see the results of indecisiveness by this dithering government.

Last survey I read was that somewhere between 69-74% supported a full lockdown.
I know we will all be accused of using hindsight again but remember that SAGE has been requesting a lockdown since September and many said that Johnson went nowhere near far enough with his actions since then. So I guess Johnson has learned nothing from his incompetent handling of this crisis from the beginning.

[oldbluefox]

I think the more sensible and less selfish are already keeping their distance, avoiding busy areas, only going out where necessary, wearing masks where appropriate and making sure hands are kept clean. To them which tier we are in is irrelevant. Stick by those rules and there is no reason why bars, restaurants, hairdressers cannot continue to operate except for the stupidity of those who ignore everything because they can always find someone else to blame and they think of nobody but themselves.
I fear a total lockdown will achieve nothing because once the restrictions are taken off the brainless will be off spreading what little virus there is and we go back to where we started which is exactly what happened last time.
Johnson can't win whatever he does. It will be interesting to see what happens in Scotland and Wales when their lockdowns come off.

[Stephen]

Boris to hold conference @ 4pm

[Onelife]

Boris to make statement at 4pm....

[towny44]

I actually think a high percentage of the population do now want tighter restrictions as they can now see the results of indecisiveness by this dithering government.

Last survey I read was that somewhere between 69-74% supported a full lockdown.
I know we will all be accused of using hindsight again but remember that SAGE has been requesting a lockdown since September and many said that Johnson went nowhere near far enough with his actions since then. So I guess Johnson has learned nothing from his incompetent handling of this crisis from the beginning.

The latest figures I saw were that 60-75% were totally against a lockdown. I guess it depends which paper you read, or expert you listen to. Imperial college believe that infections are running at 100,000 per day, Cambridge estimates 50,000, You pays yet money and takes yer choice, but experts are only knowledgeable in their field, which is a wee bit smaller than the wide world.

[Stephen]

Keep up Keith.

See previous post to yours.

[Onelife]

Let's show some respect please

!'ll drink to that

[towny44]

I actually think a high percentage of the population do now want tighter restrictions as they can now see the results of indecisiveness by this dithering government.

Last survey I read was that somewhere between 69-74% supported a full lockdown.
I know we will all be accused of using hindsight again but remember that SAGE has been requesting a lockdown since September and many said that Johnson went nowhere near far enough with his actions since then. So I guess Johnson has learned nothing from his incompetent handling of this crisis from the beginning.

If they do declare a full lockdown for next week, and the infection rate starts to fall, we still wont know if it was the right decision because we will have abandoned the alternative before we knew whether it was working.

[Kendhni]

I fear a total lockdown will achieve nothing because once the restrictions are taken off the brainless will be off spreading what little virus there is and we go back to where we started which is exactly what happened last time.
Johnson can't win whatever he does. It will be interesting to see what happens in Scotland and Wales when their lockdowns come off.

Johnson can win if he follows the advice from SAGE, the team he put together to give him advice - sadly advice he has chosen to often ignore.
For several weeks now many people have said it is better to go into lock down in the hope that it can be lifted for the Christmas period, allowing the shops restaurants and other businesses to trade during the busiest time of the year (some shops do 60% of their turnover during December).

What we see today is the result of what happened 2 weeks (or so) ago so the first 2 weeks of November are likely to be bad. But he still has a chance if he acts sooner rather than later, he can see what is happening on mainland Europe, he has always had that 2-3 weeks of foresight, we are on the same trajectory (only 2-3 weeks behind).

Johnsons has not yet ruined Christmas but if he doesn't stop procrastinating and prevaricating then he will pretty much guarantee a bad Christmas which will do untold damage to the economy and business - it is in his hands.

At the minute it is very likely that there will be another full large scale lockdown at some point during Q1 of the new year - people have to start preparing for that.

[david63]

Boris to hold conference @ 4pm

What I dislike about all of this is that we are having government by media. If the Beeb had not published this report then this would, in all probability, not be happening.

[Onelife]

Boris to hold conference @ 4pm

What I dislike about all of this is that we are having government by media. If the Beeb had not published this report then this would, in all probability, not be happening.

......or just a weak leader?

[Manoverboard]

Boris to hold conference @ 4pm

What I dislike about all of this is that we are having government by media. If the Beeb had not published this report then this would, in all probability, not be happening.

......or just a weak leader?

Governance of the easily lead by Social Media more like

[Ray Scully]

What I dislike about all of this is that we are having government by media. If the Beeb had not published this report then this would, in all probability, not be happening.

......or just a weak leader?

Governance of the easily lead by Social Media more like

Yep its government by 'mushroom management' that this country needs

[Ray Scully]

The BBC have now stated that the PM will be addressing the public at 5.00pm not 4.00pm as previously stated. What are we to believe?

[Gill W]

You don't need tea leaves to know that unless you impose Marshall Law, in the current situation whichever lockdown system you employ will be flouted by sufficient people to allow the virus to continue spreading.
During the first lockdown we all expected it to end and things would begin to get back to normal which was why it was well observed. We now know that was very much wishful thinking on everyone's part.
We now have a situation where a high percentage of the population do not want tighter restrictions and will do everything in their power to avoid observing them.
As a result no lockdown will now work and we just have to try and live with the virus until a vaccine is available. A looser tiered lockdown stands far more chance of being well observed, and thus keeping the R rate as low as possible, it probably would never get us back to the June/July situation, but neither will a full lockdown without very strict policing, and we don't have the manpower for this, and any govt that brings in Marshall Law in these circumstances will lose the next election, and probably a few dozen more.

I keep seeing this phrase dotted around the internet - 'we have got to try and live with it', and I'm not really sure what people mean by this.

To my mind, 'living with it' would be to have maintained the low levels of infection we had during the summer and everyone, without exception would have modified their behaviour to achieve this, so that everybody could have had some freedoms. This clearly would not have worked, as the selfish and ignorant minority would not have participated, and would have done exactly what thy wanted (like they have been doing).

Indeed, this 'living with it' idea is often espoused by those who think they are invulnerable and want to lock up the 'vulnerable' indefinitely. (they normally mean anybody over 60 and anybody with a clinical vunlerability - about a third of the population in all), while they carry on with their December 2019 style life. This is why 'living with it' will only result in vast numbers of infections as these idiots 'live their lives with freedom'. THe economy will still end up in the gutter as business will struggle to operate with vast numbers of staff being off sick and the sensible people staying home to avoid the carnage and not consuming services outside of the home.

I think a vaccine ending all this any time soon is as much wishful thinking as previously believing everything would be all back to normal by now.

[Gill W]

At the minute it is very likely that there will be another full large scale lockdown at some point during Q1 of the new year - people have to start preparing for that.

and what with the other thing that's happening at the start of the year - people should be in full brace position.

[towny44]

You don't need tea leaves to know that unless you impose Marshall Law, in the current situation whichever lockdown system you employ will be flouted by sufficient people to allow the virus to continue spreading.
During the first lockdown we all expected it to end and things would begin to get back to normal which was why it was well observed. We now know that was very much wishful thinking on everyone's part.
We now have a situation where a high percentage of the population do not want tighter restrictions and will do everything in their power to avoid observing them.
As a result no lockdown will now work and we just have to try and live with the virus until a vaccine is available. A looser tiered lockdown stands far more chance of being well observed, and thus keeping the R rate as low as possible, it probably would never get us back to the June/July situation, but neither will a full lockdown without very strict policing, and we don't have the manpower for this, and any govt that brings in Marshall Law in these circumstances will lose the next election, and probably a few dozen more.

I keep seeing this phrase dotted around the internet - 'we have got to try and live with it', and I'm not really sure what people mean by this.

To my mind, 'living with it' would be to have maintained the low levels of infection we had during the summer and everyone, without exception would have modified their behaviour to achieve this, so that everybody could have had some freedoms. This clearly would not have worked, as the selfish and ignorant minority would not have participated, and would have done exactly what thy wanted (like they have been doing).

Indeed, this 'living with it' idea is often espoused by those who think they are invulnerable and want to lock up the 'vulnerable' indefinitely. (they normally mean anybody over 60 and anybody with a clinical vunlerability - about a third of the population in all), while they carry on with their December 2019 style life. This is why 'living with it' will only result in vast numbers of infections as these idiots 'live their lives with freedom'. THe economy will still end up in the gutter as business will struggle to operate with vast numbers of staff being off sick and the sensible people staying home to avoid the carnage and not consuming services outside of the home.

I think a vaccine ending all this any time soon is as much wishful thinking as previously believing everything would be all back to normal by now.

Gill, since most under 50s do not suffer severe symptoms and many are assymptomatic, then it should not have too negative an impact on businesses. As for the vulnerable and older members of the population, most are taking their own shielding choices quite successfully.
There are far too many so called experts resorting to scare tactics and trying to frighten the masses into submission.

[Gill W]

*shakes head in despair*

[screwy]

So after all the complaints about ‘Leaks ‘. Before Boris has made his statement, the Beeb have told us what is going to happen.....or have I missed something.?

[barney]

Sky news were filming in Great Torrington today highlighting the town that has the lowest covid rates in the U.K. but still going into lockdown.
Mrs B was ready with lipstick on but wasn’t called upon for her views

[oldbluefox]

So after all the complaints about ‘Leaks ‘. Before Boris has made his statement, the Beeb have told us what is going to happen.....or have I missed something.?

I presume Boris would be coming along to tell us all what the Beeb and the rest of the media have decided.

[barney]

Old Captain Tom had been out today to buy new trainers.