Will Ed Davey now resign? And the others who pre-judged the issue having not seen the full evidence?
This is 2021, British politicians simply do not resign any more, even ones who’ve done things far worse than pre-judging the police action at the Sarah Everard vigil.
But they do have big ideas. Remember our next to be PM, Jo Swinson, who neither got a majority in the Commons but also lost her own seat the the General Election.
It seems ironical that she was defending a Scottish seat on a Remain agenda in Scotland which had voted to stay in the EU. What a calamity!
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Any politician that was critical of the police over that 'vigil' thing should resign and hang their heads in shame. In reality though nothing will happen.
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Any politician that was critical of the police over that 'vigil' thing should resign and hang their heads in shame. In reality though nothing will happen.
The interesting point from the report that no one on here seems to have picked up, is that the vigil should have been allowed under the current covid rules. Parliament was criticised for woolly drating of the law, so it did not blame the police for their misinterpretation, but did suggest more accurate framing of the rules in future.
If it had been sanctioned I doubt social distancing could have been maintained. Basically it was a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Why did some turn up to a vigil with spray paint, placards, balaclavas and loud hailers and then refuse to disperse? If they were sensitive to the tragedy of Sarah they would have dispersed peacefully once the vigil was over.
Will Ed Davey now resign? And the others who pre-judged the issue having not seen the full evidence?
This is 2021, British politicians simply do not resign any more, even ones who’ve done things far worse than pre-judging the police action at the Sarah Everard vigil.
I know what you mean. However, as my Mum used to say, two wrongs don't make a right. Ed Davey, without a shred of evidence, demanded Cressida d**k's resignation, so clearly he considers it is the honourable thing to do. The report makes clear that he and others like him who jumped the gun damaged confidence in the police and made matters worse.
Any politician that was critical of the police over that 'vigil' thing should resign and hang their heads in shame. In reality though nothing will happen.
The interesting point from the report that no one on here seems to have picked up, is that the vigil should have been allowed under the current covid rules. Parliament was criticised for woolly drating of the law, so it did not blame the police for their misinterpretation, but did suggest more accurate framing of the rules in future.
I picked up on it John. In fact, it was what I said a couple of weeks back.
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Any politician that was critical of the police over that 'vigil' thing should resign and hang their heads in shame. In reality though nothing will happen.
The interesting point from the report that no one on here seems to have picked up, is that the vigil should have been allowed under the current covid rules. Parliament was criticised for woolly drating of the law, so it did not blame the police for their misinterpretation, but did suggest more accurate framing of the rules in future.
I picked up on it John. In fact, it was what I said a couple of weeks back.
Foresight as well as hindsight Keefy, you are truly gifted.
The interesting point from the report that no one on here seems to have picked up, is that the vigil should have been allowed under the current covid rules. Parliament was criticised for woolly drating of the law, so it did not blame the police for their misinterpretation, but did suggest more accurate framing of the rules in future.
I picked up on it John. In fact, it was what I said a couple of weeks back.
Foresight as well as hindsight Keefy, you are truly gifted.
You bestow too much praise on me John but thank you for your honesty and perception
Foresight as well as hindsight Keefy, you are truly gifted.
You bestow too much praise on me John but thank you for your honesty and perception
But sadly with hindsight it turns out he's wrong.
I think most people were appalled by the hijacking of Sarah Everards vigil by what we know now were mostly anti-lockdown protesters. This by all accounts was the torch that led to the disorderly behaviour in what otherwise was a peaceful show of respect for Sarah.
Perhaps Ed Davey should have left his political propaganda out of it but you can’t get away from the fact that the police were left between a rock and a hard place as to what the law required of them during what was a very sensitive situation.
You bestow too much praise on me John but thank you for your honesty and perception
But sadly with hindsight it turns out he's wrong.
I think most people were appalled by the hijacking of Sarah Everards vigil by what we know now were mostly anti-lockdown protesters. This by all accounts was the torch that led to the disorderly behaviour in what otherwise was a peaceful show of respect for Sarah.
Perhaps Ed Davey should have left his political propaganda out of it but you can’t get away from the fact that the police were left between a rock and a hard place as to what the law required of them during what was a very sensitive situation.
I agree with every word other than the perhaps and the but. I'd delete the former and replace the but with is an and. The police were between a rock and a hard place in a sensitive situation but he with his size 13 hobnails trampled straight in and demanded Cressida d**k's resignation. An intelligent opposition politician would have recognised, as you do, the difficulty of policing the situation and instead of attacking them should have suggested that maybe the government needed to learn a lesson and clarify the law so there is no room for doubt. He could have also have condemned the thugs who hijacked the vigil.
Any government is always a fair target for attack by their opposition. Public servants doing their best are not. All he did was make it easier for the troublemakers and worse for the police next time.
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I think most people were appalled by the hijacking of Sarah Everards vigil by what we know now were mostly anti-lockdown protesters. This by all accounts was the torch that led to the disorderly behaviour in what otherwise was a peaceful show of respect for Sarah.
Perhaps Ed Davey should have left his political propaganda out of it but you can’t get away from the fact that the police were left between a rock and a hard place as to what the law required of them during what was a very sensitive situation.
I agree with every word other than the perhaps and the but. I'd delete the former and replace the but with is an and. The police were between a rock and a hard place in a sensitive situation but he with his size 13 hobnails trampled straight in and demanded Cressida d**k's resignation. An intelligent opposition politician would have recognised, as you do, the difficulty of policing the situation and instead of attacking them should have suggested that maybe the government needed to learn a lesson and clarify the law so there is no room for doubt. He could have also have condemned the thugs who hijacked the vigil.
Any government is always a fair target for attack by their opposition. Public servants doing their best are not. All he did was make it easier for the troublemakers and worse for the police next time.
When you are a political leader without political clout you play the odds, in that you can say things in the hope that you hit on a vote winner, if it fails to be that good thing they just move on to the next betting opportunity.
As with all politicians they only want you to remember the winners not the donkeys they've backed in getting themselves into the winner’s enclosure.
Reading the comments about this I do wonder what planet some folk are on. I suspect those who are the most vociferous over this will be the same ones who will not be having the vaccine and in the group who ignore Track & Trace.
No problem as far as we are concerned but before or after the pub I could pop into Sainsbugs without signing and fiddle with the bananas or sneeze everywhere and spread it there... if I had it ... which I haven't ... knowingly.
No problem as far as I'm concerned. Not that we visit pubs that often. Like all rules, who is going to police it. Yes, it will be implemented to start with, but eventually fade out. And I don't envy a staff member confronting a six foot plus, built like a brick out house drunk and asking him to conform and sign in.
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