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[Kendhni]

Some people put forward ideas which would have impacted on death rates in the elderly but then criticise Boris for much the same outcome. They contradict themselves and don't realise they are doing it or try to wheedle their way out of it. It's not just the politicians.

I assume you are thinking I contradicted myself, which, if that is the case, then rest of your post makes no sense to anything I have said.
Maybe you could tell me where the contradiction is and I will be able to explain where your logic has failed you.

[towny44]

they pushed for vaccinations

I don't particularly recall the "older generation" pushing for vaccinations - it was possibly the Government/NHS suggestions but ultimately it was the decision of the JCVI. The main group that were pushing for vaccinations, as I recall, was teachers.

Teachers would have been a more useful use of vaccines in the early days (as well as health workers).
There were many instances of the elderly selfishly expecting to be vaccinated first on the news and across social media

You are clearly viewing different news channels and visiting different social media sites than I do Ken. I accept that I was happy with the vaccine roll out protocol, but I never saw any comments from the elderley claiming they should be the first. On the other hand the scientists on the govt briefings regularly gave the reasoning for this policy, which was to save lives and prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed, and I was happy to accept their expert opinion.
As for teachers, the most recent scientific information I saw found that children had proved to be very unlikely to spread the virus, despite earlier concerns they might, and as the majority of junior school teachers are under 30/35, they would be very unlikely to die or be seriously ill even if they were infected. There may have been a case for older teachers, but even here the likely death tolls and hospitalizations were unlikely to support a different policy.

[Kendhni]

You are clearly viewing different news channels and visiting different social media sites than I do Ken. I accept that I was happy with the vaccine roll out protocol, but I never saw any comments from the elderley claiming they should be the first. On the other hand the scientists on the govt briefings regularly gave the reasoning for this policy, which was to save lives and prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed, and I was happy to accept their expert opinion.
As for teachers, the most recent scientific information I saw found that children had proved to be very unlikely to spread the virus, despite earlier concerns they might, and as the majority of junior school teachers are under 30/35, they would be very unlikely to die or be seriously ill even if they were infected. There may have been a case for older teachers, but even here the likely death tolls and hospitalizations were unlikely to support a different policy.

I don't disagree with anything you say. I had no issue with the vaccine roll out either - in fact I even said that after the fiasco of the lockdowns the governments handling of it was admirable. I only suggested an alternative that put more emphasis on getting the economy going again - given that was many peoples primary concern ... and without the economy firing on all cylinders it was/will obviously result in more job losses and companies going into liquidation.

A suggestion had been made for teachers to be moved up the queue. I had no issue with that either since another major concern was getting children back into education. It would have been a comparatively low volume impact (less than a week).

All the other stuff that people seem to be trying to attribute to me is just the usual made up internet twaddle.

[towny44]

After watching PMs questions and Politics live, I am very grateful that WhatsApp did not exist while I was working. As a self confessed cynic at most of the IT system meetings I attended I dread to think how I would have defended some of the jocular comments I made about our IT provider and other staff members during just about every meeting.

[Gill W]

As for teachers, the most recent scientific information I saw found that children had proved to be very unlikely to spread the virus, despite earlier concerns they might, and as the majority of junior school teachers are under 30/35, they would be very unlikely to die or be seriously ill even if they were infected. There may have been a case for older teachers, but even here the likely death tolls and hospitalizations were unlikely to support a different policy.

When did you see this scientific information - it sounds this was what was being said really early on

Who in their right mind would now employ such a duplicitous, scheming, disloyal weasel?

Johnson or Cummings? Both match the description.

What I want to know is who Cummings was having these discussions with to remove Johnson. If true, it sounds very shady.

It makes Johnson look like a puppet, first of all controlled by Cummings, and then by Carrie

[barney]

The very same people who criticised Cummings about his dodgy eye test are the very same people now jumping on this latest bandwagon.
Knee jerk is still alive and well in the U.K..
I couldn’t actually believe the Guardian offering a £10 subscription to Cumming’s blog.
This is the same periodical that ran ten pages after his original indiscretion.
I watched the program and basically it was vague insinuations.
Some people thought!
Some people said!
Aides discussed!
I’m surprised that LK fell for it.
The master manipulator certainly manipulated her.
Before the program, BBC were plugging it every five minutes.
The day after, hardly a mention.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Hmm? First of all no evidence of Carrie having any actual clout. I'm sure many people in many jobs might say to their partner I have this issue what do you think? It doesn't mean they don't make their own decision once they've gathered views.

Second if Cummings was the puppet master did he instruct the puppet to fire him?

Cummings is a sad bitter man who thought he could supplant democracy and it backfired. He is now a pathetic nobody. The sooner he is consigned to the dustbin of history the better. And think himself lucky. In the past he'd have been sent to the Tower to bid farewell to his head.

[oldbluefox]

This reminded me of the Sussexes interview with Oprah where Cummings was telling his version of the truth.
It was interesting what he said about his visit to Barnard Castle which has suddenly now turned out to be a security issue.
I wouldn't believe too much of what he says. He set out with his friends to bring Boris down. The plot was rumbled, probably by Carrie and they got the old heave-ho. My wife says in a similar situation she would have done the same.
Cummings, a first class manipulator, is now looking for his revenge.

[towny44]

Gill W asked, When did you see this scientific information - it sounds this was what was being said really early on

This was an expert on one of the BBC morning TV programmes , dont remember which one or which day, but he clearly said it was up to date information.

[Gill W]

The very same people who criticised Cummings about his dodgy eye test are the very same people now jumping on this latest bandwagon.

The very same people who believed Cummings and his story about the dodgy eye test are now saying that he's not to be believed

Gill W asked, When did you see this scientific information - it sounds this was what was being said really early on

This was an expert on one of the BBC morning TV programmes , dont remember which one or which day, but he clearly said it was up to date information.

It sounds suspiciously like what was said last year.

The schools have had big problems, and infection rates are very high in children, and younger people are at risk from long Covid.

I'm just going to get ready for a BBQ in the back garden, so can't search now, but next time I see up to date info, on younger people, I will post it on here

[Kendhni]

It makes Johnson look like a puppet, first of all controlled by Cummings, and then by Carrie

Are you suggesting there is any doubt

[Kendhni]

Nice to see our "leaders" setting an example for the plebs
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jacob-rees-mo ... 04680.html

[oldbluefox]

Nice to see our "leaders" setting an example for the plebs
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jacob-rees-mo ... 04680.html

ie those who need to be led by the hand and can't make a decision for themselves. That said they should have been wearing masks as an example for others to follow.

[Stephen]

Just seen on the beeb news that the Home Secretary wants to pay the French to improve their border security to stop migrants crossing. Unbelievable

We should be fining the bl**dy French not giving them hand outs to do the job they’re already paid to do.

[Onelife]

Nice to see our "leaders" setting an example for the plebs
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jacob-rees-mo ... 04680.html

ie those who need to be led by the hand and can't make a decision for themselves. That said they should have been wearing masks as an example for others to follow.

Moggy has always had that rebellious side to him and I just wonder if this his is way of undermining Boris before the final stab in the back?

[Onelife]

Just seen on the beeb news that the Home Secretary wants to pay the French to improve their border security to stop migrants crossing. Unbelievable

We should be fining the bl**dy French not giving them hand outs to do the job they’re already paid to do.

It does seem strange that we are going to fork out further millions so the French can deploy more police to the seaside in order to facilitate safe passage for the migrants

[Stephen]

Just seen on the beeb news that the Home Secretary wants to pay the French to improve their border security to stop migrants crossing. Unbelievable

We should be fining the bl**dy French not giving them hand outs to do the job they’re already paid to do.

It does seem strange that we are going to fork out further millions so the French can deploy more police to the seaside in order to facilitate safe passage for the migrants

It’s a bl**dy joke. Sack the bitch of a Home Secretary and replace her with someone who’s either got a backbone or some balls.

[Kendhni]

It’s a bl**dy joke. Sack the bitch of a Home Secretary and replace her with someone who’s either got a backbone or some balls.

Is that politically correct in the 21st century?
Like I mean to say, expecting an MP to have a backbone, very insulting to them.

[Stephen]

My heart bleeds

[Mervyn and Trish]

I understand that when lives are at risk at sea we have to intervene to preserve life. But once we've done so we should put them on the first Eurostar back to France.

[Kendhni]

I understand that when lives are at risk at sea we have to intervene to preserve life. But once we've done so we should put them on the first Eurostar back to France.

Why? The British chose to no longer be part of the Dublin Accord so the French could simply deny them entry. Therefore the UK has to follow the 1951 convention which may require them to foot the bill to send them back to their country of origin after fulfilling a long and expensive legal process.

[Quizzical Bob]

Just seen on the beeb news that the Home Secretary wants to pay the French to improve their border security to stop migrants crossing. Unbelievable

We should be fining the bl**dy French not giving them hand outs to do the job they’re already paid to do.

If a load of migrants were trying to leave England to get to France would you stop them?

[barney]

Just seen on the beeb news that the Home Secretary wants to pay the French to improve their border security to stop migrants crossing. Unbelievable

We should be fining the bl**dy French not giving them hand outs to do the job they’re already paid to do.

If a load of migrants were trying to leave England to get to France would you stop them?

Can’t figure out why, but that never seems to happen.
A bit of a mystery really.

[Mervyn and Trish]

The British chose to no longer be part of the Dublin Accord so the French could simply deny them entry. Therefore the UK has to follow the 1951 convention which may require them to foot the bill to send them back to their country of origin after fulfilling a long and expensive legal process.

Made no difference when we were in it. The French just waved them through. Built them camps handy for Eurostar and ferry terminals. And as far as I'm concerned their country of origin is France. This is their problem not ours and it's about time they addressed it instead of the usual Gallic shrig.

[Onelife]

We need to be very carful about how we deal with this situation because adding to the subclasses that we already have in this country will only create more problems for the future…support, crime and disharmony.

The problem is that no country wants these people which is why they are allowed to cross one counties boarder to the next…the solution is none too easy but a workable solution has to be found…my solution would be to take our fair quota of migrants then supply them with dinghy’s so they can start a new life in Ireland.