We are to much of a soft touch, lead by do gooders and Bible thumpers.
If the refugees trying to break into Poland succeed, we can expect that lot to start heading our way.
Don't worry we took back control of our borders a couple of years ago and they have never been more open tightly controlled.
We are to much of a soft touch, lead by do gooders and Bible thumpers.
If the refugees trying to break into Poland succeed, we can expect that lot to start heading our way.
Don't worry we took back control of our borders a couple of years ago and they have never been more open tightly controlled.
Ken, we all know that the only way to stop the people smugglers making their huge profits and stem the flow of illegal immigrants crossing the channel, is for France to agree to take all illegals back immediately. This should fairly quickly reduce the demand.
Of course this will only work if the UK agrees to accept a far higher number of legal asylum seekers , which will undoubtedly be extremely unpopular with many people, not only the extreme right wingers, however I don't see how this can be achieved otherwise.
It doesn't really have much to do with France. They don't want them and have no obligation to block them if they try to leave the EU
Patel, hit the nail on the head when she referred to a "dysfunctional asylum system" (in relation to the Liverpool bombing, but it is much wider than just that) ... that isn't surprising given the institutionalised incompetence and laziness of a highly dysfunctional civil service that spends more time looking for someone to blame rather than doing the job they are paid to do.
There never was a major issue with immigration or asylum seekers coming through legitimate channels, the issue always was our borders and the incompetence of those tasked with 'guarding' them. They leak like a rusty old colander and despite grandiose promises the current government has only made matters worse (based on the latest numbers). I can see where you are coming from, but I am not sure that accepting more through legal channels will make much of a difference to the numbers coming to this country, mainly because it doesn't resolve the multiple underlying problems of why people seek asylum or choose to migrate to other countries.
The crossings have increased simply because they have realised that it is possible.
For years we were told that it was far to dangerous to attempt to cross the busiest shipping lane in the world.
That’s now been proven to be rubbish.
It’s obviously quite easy.
A journalist yesterday photographed two huge ribs being carried down to the beach by migrants, accompanied by the people smugglers.
Each carrying about forty people.
Easy launch, fire up the outboard and they are in the U.K..
It’s that easy.
Not a sign of French plod.
Once they are here it’s all done.
Very, very few are ever returned.
I was talking to my local councillor about it and asked if North Devon was taking any to which she replied that they couldn’t house the people already in the area so won’t be helping out.
That puts more pressure on fewer councils.
Personally, I think every region should try to do it’s bit and spread them out across the four U.K. nations whether the migrants wish to go there or not.
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I think we have taken more than our fair share and they should now be returned.
This country doesn’t have a bottomless housing pit. We have a job housing our own let alone everyone else. The government should be getting firmer with France and making them take more responsibility for the situation. We just cannot go on like this taking in every Tom D!ck and Harry that fancies their chances. I’m sure there will be some on here that will think that is harsh, I would reply, it’s being realistic.
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I think we have taken more than our fair share and they should now be returned.
This country doesn’t have a bottomless housing pit. We have a job housing our own let alone everyone else. The government should be getting firmer with France and making them take more responsibility for the situation. We just cannot go on like this taking in every Tom D!ck and Harry that fancies their chances. I’m sure there will be some on here that will think that is harsh, I would reply, it’s being realistic.
French reply to you Stephen
You silly English Fools, we take your money, we send you our immigrants... (you need to read it with a French accent)
I agree with Stephen. Round them up by Nationality,stick them on planes and return to where they originated, let them face the consequences.Bollocks to them.
Oh and don’t call me racist,Screwess is part Indian.
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I think we have taken more than our fair share and they should now be returned.
This country doesn’t have a bottomless housing pit. We have a job housing our own let alone everyone else. The government should be getting firmer with France and making them take more responsibility for the situation. We just cannot go on like this taking in every Tom D!ck and Harry that fancies their chances. I’m sure there will be some on here that will think that is harsh, I would reply, it’s being realistic.
Agree 100% France has twice as much space to build new houses as us.
Why do people think this is Frances problem? We, as country, chose to take control of our own borders, that does not mean any other country has to protect our borders, we chose to become a third country. The current situation is 100% at our own feet and under our own control. Trying to blame others for our own failings is pure scapegoating - do we remain so immature that we cannot take ownership of our own decisions?
The big disadvantage we have in the UK is that once the Migrants/Asylum seeker reach our shores there isn’t anywhere else they can go. It’s unlikely that any country other than that from which they started would allow us to return them, so imo the only solution is to accept a negotiated quota then introduce a zero tolerance returns policy that has no right of appeal.
For those who are already here, I agree with Barney, in that these people need to be spread across all regions of the UK (both town and rural) the last thing we want to do is clump them all together in what are already deprived/slum areas of our county. Sooner or later this “out of sight out of mind policy” is going to back fire on us all.
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Why do people think this is Frances problem? We, as country, chose to take control of our own borders, that does not mean any other country has to protect our borders, we chose to become a third country. The current situation is 100% at our own feet and under our own control. Trying to blame others for our own failings is pure scapegoating - do we remain so immature that we cannot take ownership of our own decisions?
So it's our fault that France just stand back and watch every day hundreds of migrants cross the channel. They are the ones not controlling their borders not us.
The big disadvantage we have in the UK is that once the Migrants/Asylum seeker reach our shores there isn’t anywhere else they can go. It’s unlikely that any country other than that from which they started would allow us to return them, so imo the only solution is to accept a negotiated quota then introduce a zero tolerance returns policy that has no right of appeal.
For those who are already here, I agree with Barney, in that these people need to be spread across all regions of the UK (both town and rural) the last thing we want to do is clump them all together in what are already deprived/slum areas of our county. Sooner or later this “out of sight out of mind policy” is going to back fire on us all.
We could always ferry them across to Ireland.
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Most refugees are taken in by countries from the developing world - it's all there on Google if any one cares to look.
I think it'd be nice if people remember that refugees and asylum seekers are human beings with hopes and dreams just like us.
They are migrants when entering the Eu and refugees by the time they get to the French coast.
I’m 100% all for helping genuine people.
Most of these are not genuine refugees fleeing for their lives.
Why do people think this is Frances problem? We, as country, chose to take control of our own borders, that does not mean any other country has to protect our borders, we chose to become a third country. The current situation is 100% at our own feet and under our own control. Trying to blame others for our own failings is pure scapegoating - do we remain so immature that we cannot take ownership of our own decisions?
So it's our fault that France just stand back and watch every day hundreds of migrants cross the channel. They are the ones not controlling their borders not us.
That is a non sequitor argument. If we saw boatloads of people trying to make it to France I doubt if we would do anything about it - after all that would not be our responsibility, it is up to France to protect it's own borders. Why should France do anything about it? They did do lots about it for years, but we chose to exclude ourselves from the rules (CEAS, Dublin III) that France was applying.
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The big disadvantage we have in the UK is that once the Migrants/Asylum seeker reach our shores there isn’t anywhere else they can go. It’s unlikely that any country other than that from which they started would allow us to return them, so imo the only solution is to accept a negotiated quota then introduce a zero tolerance returns policy that has no right of appeal.
That would actually break UN and International law. Quota's won't work for various reasons, but mainly because they will never address or reduce those arriving illegally. It is easy to say to send them back, but for example, would you really push boats back out to sea, do we want more Alan Kurdi's on our beaches? I don't think there is a viable answer to this problem.
The big disadvantage we have in the UK is that once the Migrants/Asylum seeker reach our shores there isn’t anywhere else they can go. It’s unlikely that any country other than that from which they started would allow us to return them, so imo the only solution is to accept a negotiated quota then introduce a zero tolerance returns policy that has no right of appeal.
That would actually break UN and International law. Quota's won't work for various reasons, but mainly because they will never address or reduce those arriving illegally. It is easy to say to send them back, but for example, would you really push boats back out to sea, do we want more Alan Kurdi's on our beaches? I don't think there is a viable answer to this problem.
It may well break UN and IL law but that is not to say theses laws can’t be changed. Those signed up to theses laws are the ones being most affected and would I suggest welcome a change to how these laws are being abused.
I didn’t say anything about pushing their dinghy’s back out to sea, what I was suggesting was those entering the UK (and caught, whether by land or sea) should be sent back to the country from which they have fled. The harsh truth is that many of these asylum seekers are opportunists seeking better lives for themselves with no regard to those countries that have to support them in doing so.
Once we have reached a fair and negotiated quota then a one-way plane ticket will be the biggest deterrent in purchasing future dinghies. imo
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Why do people think this is Frances problem? We, as country, chose to take control of our own borders, that does not mean any other country has to protect our borders, we chose to become a third country. The current situation is 100% at our own feet and under our own control. Trying to blame others for our own failings is pure scapegoating - do we remain so immature that we cannot take ownership of our own decisions?
So it's our fault that France just stand back and watch every day hundreds of migrants cross the channel. They are the ones not controlling their borders not us.
Ken, How do you propose that we stop these illegal immigrants. Short of operating gunboats all along the French coast and forcing them to return to France, I cannot see what we could do.
As others have commented once here the liberal judicial system seems to put stumbling blocks in the way of deporting them, even where we know their country of origin.
You continue to pontificate that it's our fault for taking back control of our borders but failing to do this, so let's have your contribution as to how you would stop over 1000 illegal channel crossings every day.
So we never had Illegal immigrants while we were in the Eu,?
Oh yes we did.
I remember quite vividly reading a newspaper headline whilst sitting in Mayflower Terminal several years ago saying "Home Secretary admits to not knowing how many illegal immigrants there are in the country".
Ken, How do you propose that we stop these illegal immigrants. Short of operating gunboats all along the French coast and forcing them to return to France, I cannot see what we could do.
You keep mentioning France ... why? They no longer have any legal or moral requirement to stop people who wish to emmigrate to a country that chose to sever all agreements without putting any other mechanism in place.
As others have commented once here the liberal judicial system seems to put stumbling blocks in the way of deporting them, even where we know their country of origin.
I have already answered that point, our system is totally 'dysfunctional' controlled by an incompetent government that continually fails to deliver on their promises. Even the government admits their system is 'dysfunctional'.
You continue to pontificate that it's our fault for taking back control of our borders but failing to do this, so let's have your contribution as to how you would stop over 1000 illegal channel crossings every day.
Your attempt at bombastic language does you no favours. I have already answered the question in what I think can be done. It is others with inane ideas that break international laws and other treaties, that we have signed up to, that need to rethink their ideas.
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