Mervyn and Trish wrote: 10 Dec 2021, 22:59
Kendhni wrote: 10 Dec 2021, 22:16
Quizzical Bob wrote: 10 Dec 2021, 20:32
Cheap labour had nothing to do with it whatever you may think.
That is both true and false. It had nothing to do with it until the gullible were brainwashed and conned into believing it did.
It's interesting that when you run out of coherent arguments you feel the need to insult those who disagree with you. Another equally valid point of view is that the gullible voted Remain.
Actually my argument is backed up by the likes of google analytics and trends across the first half of last decade, plus comments made by brexit leadership since the referendum. Yes there was concern about migrant workers and, in some areas, where ghettos were growing, it was a significant issue ... it was being continually spun as the reason for people not being able to get jobs by small pockets of right wing extremists and Daily Mail readers ... rather than the real issues of lazy multi-generational benefit seekers. In the main migrant workers, or cheap labour as you call it, were seen as beneficial to the economy with the majority integrating into society. I am proud to work for a cosmopolitan company that utilises workers from all over the world.
The point QB made was that the main reason for brexit was not the 4 big ones spun to the public (immigration (not migrant workers), NHS, economy and sovereignty or lesser ones like national security). Brexit was being driven primarily by the wealthy for the benefit of the wealthy, but it could not be sold to the general public on those grounds, so a huge campaign of anti-EU rhetoric and mis-information was spun up. They even made a 'for TV' movie about it.
Sadly there is now growing evidence that Johnson and the government had fallen for their own spin and even they did not understand what it was they were signing up for (so how could they possibly expect the public to understand) ... that could explain why Johnson refused to allow any form of due diligence to be carried out on the final documents. Some people wanted brexit 'at any cost' ... that is what Johnson has delivered.
When I look at Johnson and Vote Leave's 'contract with the British people', they failed to fully deliver any of their 10 points ... Cameron did better with his concessions from the EU.
However on the point of cheap labour Remainers were arguing in the last couple of months that the woes of the transport industry were because the cheap labour had gone home and hauliers were having to increase wages to attract drivers. You really can't have it both ways. We're not that gullible.
Actually that is not an argument you can say was a 'remainer' argument, it was coming from across the board. In fact the government even tried to get tens of thousands of drivers back and was humiliated by the low volume of uptake (many reasons for lack of interest). The humiliation was only bettered by the governments attempts to incentivise Nobel laureates and other winners of prestigious international prizes to the UK which attracted not one application.
The whole world is a bit of a mess at the minute. In the UK brexit is playing its part (both good and bad), but, as I have often said, we are where we are and it will be interesting to see how this all plays out in another 5 years or so.
