Current Affairs

[Stephen]

I agree Foxy, and when it does come into effect, we should do the same with the cruel practice of Halah slaughter in this country.

It's a long while since I was in a slaughter house ... how about your good self ? ... but I do believe that the animal is killed instantly and silently albeit with much blood letting whereas in the time honored British way the bolt is fired and the other animals in the death queue are scared witless. The resultant beef can also be affected because of muscle tensioning.

I would doubt that a ban would come into effect for fear of upsetting a religious minority.

I thought the bolt was air driven and fairly silent, but confess I have never been in a slaughterhouse.

I have. Not a pleasant experience.

[Onelife]

I agree Foxy, and when it does come into effect, we should do the same with the cruel practice of Halah slaughter in this country.

It's a long while since I was in a slaughter house ... how about your good self ? ... but I do believe that the animal is killed instantly and silently albeit with much blood letting whereas in the time honored British way the bolt is fired and the other animals in the death queue are scared witless. The resultant beef can also be affected because of muscle tensioning.

I would doubt that a ban would come into effect for fear of upsetting a religious minority.

As you know Mob, I don’t give a sh*t about religion but accept that some are brainwashed into be thinking it has some purpose… other than to control.
I’ve never been in a slaughterhouse but have watched this barbaric practice on YouTube…. they are not rendered unconscious in two seconds; indeed, their eyes are wide open and in a distressed state for at least 15 seconds until they hit the floor. Very distressing and in now way can this practise be considered humane.

[Kendhni]

What I am finding of concern at the moment is who, or what, is orchestrating the constant attacks against Boris and/or the Conservatives. Everything that is being drip fed to the media is historic therefore, in my opinion, there is a puppet master pulling the strings somewhere.

As I see it there are three possibilities:

1. There is a plot within Conservatism to oust Boris and if that is so then it has gone massively wrong as it is doing as much, if not more, damage to the Conservative Party.

2. There is a plot from those opposed to the current Government (not specifically the Labour Party) attempting to bring down the current Government in the hope that there would be some other, in their eyes, better Government.

3. The most worrying of all is that is is being orchestrated by some foreign organisation who are attempting to discredit the UK Government.

Number 1 is exactly what the conservatives did the last time they were in power and went into internal meltdown.
Number 2 is just day-to-day politics.
If you believe in number 3 then arguably the logical conclusion is that it is the same people that put him there in the first place.

So maybe
4. People are wakening up to the fact that Boris is (always has been) a liar, and is (never was) fit for the job. He is no longer feeding them what they want to hear so they turn against him. Arguably this is similar to your point 1 but I think that this goes beyond just 'Conservatism'.

Johnsons biggest problem is that he is in power on many 'borrowed' votes .. those votes are likely to return to their true owners in the next election.

Interestingly I read yesterday that Rees-Mogg was saying that if Johnson goes then there should be a general election ... he should know better because, rightly or wrongly, that is not the system in place in this country ... the population does not vote for a prime minister (it was the same when Brown took over from Blair).

[david63]

4. People are wakening up to the fact that Boris is (always has been) a liar, and is (never was) fit for the job. He is no longer feeding them what they want to hear so they turn against him.

Maybe so - but it does not answer the question of who is pulling the strings. People on their own cannot create the situation that we are in, there is somebody/something behind all of this.

[Mervyn and Trish]

He was fit for the job he was put there to do. Deliver Brexit. His achievement of that is at the root of why many hate him and would still do so whatever else he did or said, true or not.

#StopCrying #AcceptWhatYouVotedAgainst

[Ray B]

The media is loving this, manner from heaven. Maybe they have the brown envelopes ready for those cowards willing to betray their party as they don't have the balls to always put their name to the the allegations.

[Kendhni]

4. People are wakening up to the fact that Boris is (always has been) a liar, and is (never was) fit for the job. He is no longer feeding them what they want to hear so they turn against him.

Maybe so - but it does not answer the question of who is pulling the strings. People on their own cannot create the situation that we are in, there is somebody/something behind all of this.

I am not sure there is someone "pulling the strings", I think it is just growing general disgruntlement about a PM that is blatantly dishonest, who has made a mockery of the rules he created, has botched up nearly everything he has touched and has issued some of the most insincere apologies I have heard any political represent ever make (to the point of sounding like he is sneering at the public). Johnson has, pretty much single handedly, dragged the political standards in the UK to new lows (a satirists dream) with levels of nepotism and corruption that I cannot remember the like of ever before.

I always said all these "parties" were just mountains and molehills ... I would say most people at some point bent the rules to suit themselves ... it is the continuing lies, dishonesty and mockery of the general public that has made a lot of people, including many in his own party and the media, reassess his suitability for office.

So I would say the 'something' behind this is simply people waking up and realising who and what Johnson really is. I would also be pretty sure that if there is someone orchestrating it then us mere mortals will never ever find out.

[towny44]

Ken, you do tend to repeat yourself with alarming regularity, rather like the media you seem to assume that if you cry foul often enough, then people will begin to believe that everything you say is true.
However as a long time tory voter, until you can present me with a replacement candidate that will do a better job than Boris, and stands a better chance of winning the next election, then I prefer to stay with the devil I know.

[Bensham33]

It's Boris that must go. Not the government who in my opinion are doing a good job.

I can't understand how some think that his lies are okay and that there is some sort of conspiracy against him. He's done this, he didn't have to lie and if he had told the truth in the first place this whole sorry mess would be behind us.

Where's Sue Gray's report. She finished it two days ago?

[Kendhni]

Ken, you do tend to repeat yourself with alarming regularity, rather like the media you seem to assume that if you cry foul often enough, then people will begin to believe that everything you say is true.
However as a long time tory voter, until you can present me with a replacement candidate that will do a better job than Boris, and stands a better chance of winning the next election, then I prefer to stay with the devil I know.

Well if you are going to ask the same question with alarming regularity, in the desperate hope that if you keep asking you will get the answer you want, then you have to expect the same answer.

As far as a better candidate, I have a half pound block of lard in the fridge that I reckon would do better job than the current bumbling incompetent.

[Kendhni]

It's Boris that must go. Not the government who in my opinion are doing a good job.

While I sort of agree, it does raise the question ... are they? They have done well on some things but ... they have taken the national debt from about £1tn to over £2.2tn ... half that time we were undergoing some alleged austerity. Taking COVID into the equation then, by the governments own estimates, that accounts for less than £400bn (including billions they have chosen to write off due to fraud). So that leaves some £800bn that we seem to have frittered away during their tenure (on top of increased tax revenues due to what a good job they have been doing).

Where's Sue Gray's report. She finished it two days ago?

Being closely examined by Johnson and a team of script writers as they try to figure how to spin it.
Possibly being redacted ... like Johnson has done with other previous 'independent' inquiries.
I hope it will be printed in its entirety but more than one government minister has suggested it may not be.

[Stephen]

A bit of info here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... es-latest/

[Mervyn and Trish]

You're repeating your old nonsense about debt Ken. I answered it in detail some time ago so I won't bother with the detail, just two words to jog your memory. Labour Supertanker.

[towny44]

Where's Sue Gray's report. She finished it two days ago?

Being closely examined by Johnson and a team of script writers as they try to figure how to spin it.
Possibly being redacted ... like Johnson has done with other previous 'independent' inquiries.
I hope it will be printed in its entirety but more than one government minister has suggested it may not be.

I used to think that maybe you had a far better source of all the information you generously relay to us.
But after an extensive search I can find no one who knows exactly why Sue Grays report is delayed, so I have to conclude that the above, like a lot of your mutterings is merely made up on the fly, presumably to satisfy your over inflated EGO.

[Ray B]

With rescue centers full to bursting, waiting to rehome cats, dogs and other animals, the last thing we needed was to bring a plane load of more animals from Afghanistan in the same situation. Of cause, it's all down to sentiment and these poor animals, but it puts more strain on the animal welfare people to find even more hard to come by people to take one home and care for it.

[Gill W]

I am not sure there is someone "pulling the strings", I think it is just growing general disgruntlement about a PM that is blatantly dishonest, who has made a mockery of the rules he created, has botched up nearly everything he has touched and has issued some of the most insincere apologies I have heard any political represent ever make (to the point of sounding like he is sneering at the public). Johnson has, pretty much single handedly, dragged the political standards in the UK to new lows (a satirists dream) with levels of nepotism and corruption that I cannot remember the like of ever before.

Exactly this

It's systematic dishonesty, then trying to cover it up

It's overshadowing everything now

I can't understand how some think that his lies are okay and that there is some sort of conspiracy against him. He's done this, he didn't have to lie and if he had told the truth in the first place this whole sorry mess would be behind us.

Where's Sue Gray's report. She finished it two days ago?

Again, I agree. If he didn't behave in the way that he does, none of these revelations would be happening. If he had made a clean breast of it as soon as the first revelations had happened we might have been able to move forward, but the sheer dishonesty prevents that.

As for the Sue Gray report, it's probably being redacted to within an inch of it's life.

[Ray B]

It's Boris that must go. Not the government who in my opinion are doing a good job.

Where's Sue Gray's report. She finished it two days ago?

Being closely examined by Johnson and a team of script writers as they try to figure how to spin it.
Possibly being redacted ... like Johnson has done with other previous 'independent' inquiries.
I hope it will be printed in its entirety but more than one government minister has suggested it may not be.

Reported yesterday that the report was being looked at by the police before releasing it.

[Kendhni]

It's Boris that must go. Not the government who in my opinion are doing a good job.

Where's Sue Gray's report. She finished it two days ago?

Being closely examined by Johnson and a team of script writers as they try to figure how to spin it.
Possibly being redacted ... like Johnson has done with other previous 'independent' inquiries.
I hope it will be printed in its entirety but more than one government minister has suggested it may not be.

Reported yesterday that the report was being looked at by the police before releasing it.

I had read that it was undergoing scrutiny by the legal department as well (I wonder if that could be because the police are now involved?).

[Kendhni]

With rescue centers full to bursting, waiting to rehome cats, dogs and other animals, the last thing we needed was to bring a plane load of more animals from Afghanistan in the same situation. Of cause, it's all down to sentiment and these poor animals, but it puts more strain on the animal welfare people to find even more hard to come by people to take one home and care for it.

It is sad to see the number of abandoned 'lockdown' dogs.
We rescued two of them, badly abused, locked in cages and scared of their own shadows ... original owner paid a fortune for the two of them, I slipped a few quid to the charity that rescued them (I also told them to burn the papers they came with .. that is not why we own dogs ... plus it puts their insurance up).

To try to get one of them to even lift his head we bought him a bow tie that would sit under his chin blocking him from dropping it. He is now happy and has come a long way, and holds his head up as a dog should ... the downside is that he now refuses to get his lead on until he has had his bowtie put onto his collar. Best dressed dog in the town.

There are dog owners and dog lovers .. they are not the same thing.

[Gill W]

There are dog owners and dog lovers .. they are not the same thing.

You are clearly in the latter category.

I can’t help smiling at the thought of your dog going for a walk in his bow tie

[oldbluefox]

Sad to hear today of the death of Barry Cryer. As a keen listener of I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue I will miss his wit and humour.
RIP Barry.

[Gill W]

With rescue centers full to bursting, waiting to rehome cats, dogs and other animals, the last thing we needed was to bring a plane load of more animals from Afghanistan in the same situation. Of cause, it's all down to sentiment and these poor animals, but it puts more strain on the animal welfare people to find even more hard to come by people to take one home and care for it.

This thing about the animals.

Johnson denied any involvement with this, calling the idea ‘rhurbarb’.

Yet a letter has come to light, signed by his Parliamentary Private secretary, confirming that the animals can be evacuated on a charter plane and a flight slot would be made available.

Yet again, Johnson says something, then evidence is supplied to suggest it’s not true. This happens over and over again.

There seems to be a pattern forming……

[Kendhni]

There are dog owners and dog lovers .. they are not the same thing.

You are clearly in the latter category.

I can’t help smiling at the thought of your dog going for a walk in his bow tie

He gets a lot of comments and many people have asked if they can get a picture of him .. he even made it into our local paper

[Ray B]

This thing about the animals.

Johnson denied any involvement with this, calling the idea ‘rhurbarb’.

Yet a letter has come to light, signed by his Parliamentary Private secretary, confirming that the animals can be evacuated on a charter plane and a flight slot would be made available.

Yet again, Johnson says something, then evidence is supplied to suggest it’s not true. This happens over and over again.

There seems to be a pattern forming……

Gill, simular to my thoughts in #13857. The fact that it looks like no expense was by the tax payer, all privately funded, I fail to see why this has blown up.
We wait for the Outcome.

[towny44]

With rescue centers full to bursting, waiting to rehome cats, dogs and other animals, the last thing we needed was to bring a plane load of more animals from Afghanistan in the same situation. Of cause, it's all down to sentiment and these poor animals, but it puts more strain on the animal welfare people to find even more hard to come by people to take one home and care for it.

This thing about the animals.

Johnson denied any involvement with this, calling the idea ‘rhurbarb’.

Yet a letter has come to light, signed by his Parliamentary Private secretary, confirming that the animals can be evacuated on a charter plane and a flight slot would be made available.

Yet again, Johnson says something, then evidence is supplied to suggest it’s not true. This happens over and over again.

There seems to be a pattern forming……

Do you genuinely believe that Boris overseas and authorised everythingbthst is done through the downing street office, he way well have 'signed off' on it, but it's unlikely he would scrutinise and personally sign every single document. But I really dont expect Boris bashers to consider that possibility, they are just hello bent on finding anything that could make him appear inept and stupid.