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[screwy]

Under the terms of their agreement, Andrew is no longer allowed to deny that he raped Giuffre.

Source.?

[Kendhni]

Under the terms of their agreement, Andrew is no longer allowed to deny that he raped Giuffre.

Source.?

Pick a media outlet, many seem to be running with it including GMB, The Independent and others ... but the original story seems to be from the Daily Telegraph.

After the Jubilee it appears the gagging order is off. At that point it could all get interesting again.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I'm baffled too. This is a confidential agreement, was my understanding. So has one of the two parties to it leaked it? Or are the journalists making it up as they go along, as usual?

[Mervyn and Trish]

I've now read the Telegraph article on line. It's a very disingenuous and sensationalist piece of reporting.

It says:

"The Duke of York can no longer repeat his denial that he raped Virginia Roberts Giuffre, due to the terms of their out-of-court settlement.

A gagging clause means neither side can discuss the case or the financial deal, which was signed off at the weekend."

The second sentence is a fact widely known and reported. The first is their extrapolation of just one thing he can't talk about rather than a specific clause they are quoting. Equally she can't talk about him sweating. It's sensationalist and meaningless tosh to flog a few rags. It doesn't mean one way or another that he raped her or didn't.

[Kendhni]

I'm baffled too. This is a confidential agreement, was my understanding. So has one of the two parties to it leaked it? Or are the journalists making it up as they go along, as usual?

I alluded to this in an earlier post, going by comments from both Andrew Pierce and Kevin Maguire, given the way this has been playing out, a lot of eyes, across a lot of pay grades, have seen a lot of documents. Both Pierce and Maguire (from opposite ends of the political spectrum) suggested it would be an impossibility to keep this secret without an explicit court order and in fact suggested much had already been leaked.

Given the (supposed) temporary gagging order, I think the stories are probably accurate but include phrasing in a way to make things 'more interesting'. For example 'Andrew not allowed to repeat rape denials' could also have been 'Andrew not allowed to repeat denials' ... both effectively true but one is more likely to sell papers.

[oldbluefox]

That's the name of the game and the more they can sensationalise it the more papers they can sell or the more viewers they can attract.
Half of what they publish is a load of baloney and clearly made up.

[Onelife]

From what I was reading the other day it was saying that after a period of time Virginia can make comments regarding the case, whereas Andrew has to keep his mouth shut, which, under the circumstances he would be well advised to do.

[david63]

From what I was reading the other day it was saying that after a period of time Virginia can make comments regarding the case, whereas Andrew has to keep his mouth shut

If that is true then it will mean that she will have the best of both worlds - having taken the money and then having her day in court when the inevitable libel writs start dropping through her letterbox.

[Manoverboard]

It must be true cos it was in big writing in the Chicken Fanciers Gazette

[Kendhni]

How the fallen rise. Nick Clegg has been promoted within Facebook so that he is not at the same level of seniority as its founders.

[Onelife]

How the fallen rise. Nick Clegg has been promoted within Facebook so that he is not at the same level of seniority as its founders.

Well, he ruined the Lib Dems for power so no doubt they’ll be hoping he does a better job for them?

[Onelife]

It must be true cos it was in big writing in the Chicken Fanciers Gazette

If you're still subscribing to that magazine, can I presume you're still having a problem with pigeon sh*t?

[Mervyn and Trish]

Good to hear that Michael Masi has been given the boot from F1.

[screwy]

That’s a shame, was hoping he could screw LH up a few more times.

[Kendhni]

Good to hear that Michael Masi has been given the boot from F1.

I can't see that they could have done anything else. Masi does a job, Hamilton attracts millions of investment and sponsorship money ... so if you have to lose one which do you pick ... I heard one line of thought that Hamilton shutting himself down since the end of the season has cost Formula 1 an awful lot of money.

It is a shame because it appears that Masi was liked and respected, he just let the pressure get to him and he capitulated to pressure from Red Bull causing him to make a bad decision resulting in an unfair/manipulated race result.

[Mervyn and Trish]

A bad decision against the rules that changed the result of the race and the championship. No good being popular if you can't do the job when it matters.

[david63]

OK we just want to be invisible and lead a normal life but can you please look after us

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60438739

No - you have made your bed now you must lie in it!!

[Mervyn and Trish]

Quite. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

[Onelife]

Prince Harry and his family absolutely should be given police protection on visits to see his family. There are many trophy hunters out there looking for that big kill and I don’t think the Monarchy would survive if they allowed one of their own to be bumped off. It would also be unfair to the many thousands of Harry and Meghan fans who would love to see them + children on walkabouts on what would be such a special occasion for our Country.

[david63]

Prince Harry and his family absolutely should be given police protection on visits to see his family.

Are you willing to pay for it? Because I, and I suspect many others, are not.

It would also be unfair to the many thousands of Harry and Meghan fans who would love to see them + children on walkabouts on what would be such a special occasion for our Country.

Thousands may be a bit of an exaggeration, or at least optimistic. Why should our country pay for anything to do with them when they have turned their back on "their" country - if they want security then they can pay for it themselves out of their own pockets - after all they are making enough!

[Onelife]

Prince Harry and his family absolutely should be given police protection on visits to see his family.

Are you willing to pay for it? Because I, and I suspect many others, are not.

It would also be unfair to the many thousands of Harry and Meghan fans who would love to see them + children on walkabouts on what would be such a special occasion for our Country.

Thousands may be a bit of an exaggeration, or at least optimistic. Why should our country pay for anything to do with them when they have turned their back on "their" country - if they want security then they can pay for it themselves out of their own pockets - after all they are making enough!

I’m sure they are making enough which is why Prince Harry said he would meet the full cost of police protection but this was rejected by the Home Secretary.

She should have held her hand out and accepted any offer of payment/donation because at the end of the day it is inconceivable that he and his family won’t get a higher level of protection anyway. Do you honestly think when considering his family connection that they are at no more risk than the average family visiting family relatives?

You may think he shouldn’t get Police protection but when push comes to shove and he chooses to visit Grandma, you can expect the papers reporting that there has been threats against Harry and his family which will result in police being put on high alert for the protection of this high-profile royal family.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I don't actually get this. If he's visiting Mum he'll surely be staying at Windsor within the overall Rpyal security. He won't have any official engagements outside because he's stood down. He's got his own private bodyguards. Why should he tie up police resources irrespective of who pays for them if Meghan fancies going shopping? He can visit Mum, no problem. Anything else is up to them.

[david63]

If he does not feel safe visiting a country then he does the same as the rest of us do and doesn't visit, it is that simple. After all he does not have to come over, it's purely his choice.

If it was down to me I would not let him back in the country unless he was coming back to continue the job that he was brought up to do, trained to do and paid to do.

[oldbluefox]

I'd be quite happy if he stayed the other side of the Atlantic after the upset he and his wife have caused. Foolishly he has almost estranged his children from their paternal family this side of the water and I wonder how close they are to her side of the family. Great job H&M!!!

[Kendhni]

I 'look forward' to his new book that I am sure will be serialised in 200 easy to read segments in the Daily Mail