Nothing other than an inflated egoStephen wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 10:50What gives Putin the right to tell a country whether they can join NATO or not
Same as above

Nothing other than an inflated egoStephen wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 10:50What gives Putin the right to tell a country whether they can join NATO or not
Same as above
And a concern, perhaps, that Western military might would be in his back yard ?

Had NATO imposed a NFZ at the start of this unlawful invasion and not hoisted the white flag they could have got away with it. Sadly, they laid their cards face up on the table which allowed Nukiboo Putin to play whichever hand he wanted to play. The representatives of NATO countries should keep giving Zelensky and the Ukrainian people a standing ovation but while doing so they should have their heads bowed in shame for standing by and letting Putin get away with the slaughter and destruction of this sovereign nation.towny44 wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 09:33That has to be your opinion Merv, mine is the opposite, bullies are cowards at heart and Putin is just a big bully, but he would not have the balls to press the button and commit suicide.Mervyn and Trish wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 09:06Which of course Putin would accept without a whimper. No. He would hit the nuclear button. Absolutely no doubt. Now is the time to get a peace deal. Then leave the Russians to wipe him out.


From that comment am I to assume that you think Putins view that NATO threatens Russia's existence has some merit?Manoverboard wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 13:52No need for flags of any colour, Ukraine simply has to understand the Russian viewpoint.

If Russia/Putin are so insecure about its/his vulnerability to NATO’s expansion then it doesn’t bode well for Finland /Sweden aspirations to join NATO. The bigger question is however would NATO want Russia bordering countries to join considering the ultimatums already expressed by Russia on such countries?Manoverboard wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 13:52No need for flags of any colour, Ukraine simply has to understand the Russian viewpoint.


Your middle name's not Chamberlain by any chance?Manoverboard wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 15:11The Russian viewpoint ( imho ) is that it genuinely fears the presence, read threat, of NATO forces doing their exercises within 50 yards of the Soviet Naval Base in Sebastopol. It is absurd to think that this would be acceptable to Putin or indeed any other leader of a World power.
The Ukraine needs to reassure the Russian that this will never happen and then enter into a treaty that secures it water tight ... seemples.
Not at all but I do not wish to see the Ukraine being raised to the ground.towny44 wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 17:11Your middle name's not Chamberlain by any chance?Manoverboard wrote: 18 Mar 2022, 15:11The Russian viewpoint ( imho ) is that it genuinely fears the presence, read threat, of NATO forces doing their exercises within 50 yards of the Soviet Naval Base in Sebastopol. It is absurd to think that this would be acceptable to Putin or indeed any other leader of a World power.
The Ukraine needs to reassure the Russian that this will never happen and then enter into a treaty that secures it water tight ... seemples.

Isn't that an oxymoron?



Well said Ben. The Tories are so mired in sleaze, that all their supporters can do is protest when they are called to account, and insult those who oppose them. They keep trotting out Corbyn as though he is a threat when really they should be thanking him for their big majority. Corbyn is gone Sir Keir Starmer and many of the current Labour front bench are decent people with good intentions. I have never voted Labour, but if it is this corrupt Tory Government or labour next time, you can be sure I wont be voting for the Tories.Bensham33 wrote: 14 Mar 2022, 14:33Sir Keir is surely just doing his job. He should be questioning everything the government say and do. If not this incompetent lot would end up doing nothing and then blame everybody else for their in action.



I'm not sure that heading up the DPP is likely to set anyone up to right the wrongs of any section of society. The way it has managed to increase the number of rape claims over the last 20 years, without seeming to increase the number of successful prosecutions must be one of the greatest mysteries since our legal system came into being. Lawyers will only look after themselves and other lawyers, they manage to make the masons look angelic by comparison.Bensham33 wrote: 20 Mar 2022, 16:16Sir Keir Starmer rose to become Director of Public Prosecutions. He turned to politics after his 5 year tenure to try and right the wrongs of the Tories and have a much fairer society.
To read Labours policies just Google 'Labour policies' and you can spend a few hours reading all about them.

Any party that expects the electorate to conduct Google searches to discover their policies is doomed to failure.Bensham33 wrote: 20 Mar 2022, 16:16To read Labours policies just Google 'Labour policies' and you can spend a few hours reading all about them.
Catching up and have to nominate this as the best postFrank Manning wrote: 20 Mar 2022, 12:06Well said Ben. The Tories are so mired in sleaze, that all their supporters can do is protest when they are called to account, and insult those who oppose them. They keep trotting out Corbyn as though he is a threat when really they should be thanking him for their big majority. Corbyn is gone Sir Keir Starmer and many of the current Labour front bench are decent people with good intentions. I have never voted Labour, but if it is this corrupt Tory Government or labour next time, you can be sure I wont be voting for the Tories.

