Brexit

[oldbluefox]

As in most of these cases it is the doom mongers, the anti Brexit brigade, politicians in fear of losing a nice little bolt hole after Westminster, the paranoid ones fearful of change and the media who love to wind everybody up to persuade them that Armageddon will occur if we set foot outside the EU.
I have heard these warnings so many times at different stages I don't believe any of them no matter how much our Remainer friends suck their teeth and tell me I 'could' be wrong 'maybe'. The prospect of staying in the EU and how it will develop in the future holds a greater fear.
Do we really think so little of our country that we no longer feel capable of ruling for ourselves? I thought we had more ports than Dover which are already set up to deal with imports and exports?

[towny44]

I suspect that delays at Dover might well have a beneficial knock on effect in the UK. It could switch more traffic to the container ports, most of which have spare capacity. This would lead to more work for UK haulage contractors, and a significant reduction in foreign L/H drive vehicles on our roads which have a much higher pro rata accident rate than British HGV's. It might also lead to increased rail freight movements and a very welcome reduction in long distance road freight movements.
A no deal brexit is becoming more interesting by the day.

[Onelife]

There choice, our future.

Theresa resigns?
Theresa goes back to Brussels asking for more please?
Three weeks of arguing ensues
We go back to Brussels and beg for an extention to A50
Davis wants Canada+
Boris wants Canada+++
Moggie wants out..whatever the cost.
Some remainers want a soft Norwegian.
Some remainer still haven't a clue what they want
Some remainers and some leavers want a people's vote
ĎUP will insist on a get out clause
Corbyn can't make his mind up if he want in or out but will settle for both if he gets a General election.
Etc
Etc

VOTE MAY Tuesday.....or we get one of the above....but' remember, they have to agree to agree...or maybe not?!!!

You been talking to Stephen again??!!!

Hi Foxy,

I'm trying to make least contact as posible with forum members cos after Tuesday result l fear l could start getting begging letters asking for food handouts.

I may be the 'milky bar kid' but l draw the line when it comes to giving away tinned produce......although l will make an exception in your case.......if they are past their sell by date

[Ray Scully]

I suspect that delays at Dover might well have a beneficial knock on effect in the UK. It could switch more traffic to the container ports, most of which have spare capacity. This would lead to more work for UK haulage contractors, and a significant reduction in foreign L/H drive vehicles on our roads which have a much higher pro rata accident rate than British HGV's. It might also lead to increased rail freight movements and a very welcome reduction in long distance road freight movements.
A no deal brexit is becoming more interesting by the day.

Mmmmm interesting but would put up costs disproportionally for the least well-off, however, this could be mitigated by increasing the higher rate tax band at the same time decreasing the lower rate.

[Stephen]

There choice, our future.

Theresa resigns?
Theresa goes back to Brussels asking for more please?
Three weeks of arguing ensues
We go back to Brussels and beg for an extention to A50
Davis wants Canada+
Boris wants Canada+++
Moggie wants out..whatever the cost.
Some remainers want a soft Norwegian.
Some remainer still haven't a clue what they want
Some remainers and some leavers want a people's vote
ĎUP will insist on a get out clause
Corbyn can't make his mind up if he want in or out but will settle for both if he gets a General election.
Etc
Etc

VOTE MAY Tuesday.....or we get one of the above....but' remember, they have to agree to agree...or maybe not?!!!

You been talking to Stephen again??!!!

Hi Foxy,

I'm trying to make least contact as posible with forum members cos after Tuesday result l fear l could start getting begging letters asking for food handouts.

I may be the 'milky bar kid' but l draw the line when it comes to giving away tinned produce......although l will make an exception in your case.......if they are past their sell by date

No change there then

[oldbluefox]

I suspect that delays at Dover might well have a beneficial knock on effect in the UK. It could switch more traffic to the container ports, most of which have spare capacity. This would lead to more work for UK haulage contractors, and a significant reduction in foreign L/H drive vehicles on our roads which have a much higher pro rata accident rate than British HGV's. It might also lead to increased rail freight movements and a very welcome reduction in long distance road freight movements.
A no deal brexit is becoming more interesting by the day.

I feel much the same.
It might be helpful if more people in the media/parliament started talking Britain up instead of constantly pointing out the pitfalls of life after the EU. Why, in this instance, such a focus on one port when we have capacity elsewhere? Or does Dover provide a soft option and easy way out?

How much of the Remain argument is less about the future prosperity of this country and more about how much extra their bottle of Chablis will cost?

[Onelife]

I suspect that delays at Dover might well have a beneficial knock on effect in the UK. It could switch more traffic to the container ports, most of which have spare capacity. This would lead to more work for UK haulage contractors, and a significant reduction in foreign L/H drive vehicles on our roads which have a much higher pro rata accident rate than British HGV's. It might also lead to increased rail freight movements and a very welcome reduction in long distance road freight movements.
A no deal brexit is becoming more interesting by the day.

Hi John,

Should it come to queues, l agree that spreading the load would seem to be a sensible approach, however, Felixstowe already copes with a large percentage of our freight too and from Europe so l'm not sure how much more capacity they would have to spread the load of traffic jams stacking up outside of Dover....l'm also not sure which other east coast ports would be suitable for freight transport without loads of money being spent on them.....but for what?....they will become redundant after six months if present predictions are correct.

[barney]

Please don't allow yourselves to get bogged down by the trivia of queues at Dover guys.
It's another remainer red herring.
As someone who has spent most of his life in the south East I can happily confirm that there are always queues at dover for some reason or another.
A couple of years ago we had 34 days of Operation Stack on the M20 due to French protests.
Was it a pain in the butt? - yes
Was it the end of the world? - well, we're all still here and life has moved on.

KCC have already made full provisions for a contraflow system to keep non port traffic moving.

Just remind me again how staunch EU member country Ireland gets it's goods to the mainland on Europe.

Any problem caused by no deal would sort itself out in about a week.
Anyone who has lived in the South East and seen the thousands of trucks a day that come through Dover & Folkestone realises that.
For every five miles on this side of the Channel, there would be ten miles on the other.
This is because the EU big boys export a hell of a lot more goods to the UK everyday that we export to them.
An inconvenient truth but a fact.

[Ray Scully]

Send it all to Liverpool I promise it won't get nicked

[barney]

You've got to admire the old Froggies for their level of intellectual debate though Ray , haven't you?

If they are not blockading Calais, they are setting fire to Paris high Street.

Macron, the saviour of the EU was basically elected because he wasn't Marie LePen or Melenchon.
He won a massive mandate of 24% in the first round. That sort of tells me that three quarters were not too keen on him.

I had a good look on the Yellow Vest protestors and failed to spot a single EU flag but do think that I heard someone whistling Ode to Joy as they set fire to a passing Renault.

I think it was Macron who said very recently that France could never allow a referendum on the EU membership because France would no doubt vote to leave.

The British have woken up and smelled the coffee and croissants.
Were we lead, others will follow.

Vive Le Revolution
See you on the barricades

[Ray Scully]

Barney totally lost interest Que será, será

[Jack Staff]

For every five miles on this side of the Channel, there would be ten miles on the other.
This is because the EU big boys export a hell of a lot more goods to the UK everyday that we export to them.
An inconvenient truth but a fact.

I love Brexiter facts.
So the French only use their trucks the once, then abandon them in England, eh Barney?

[screwy]

No, a lot of Eu trucks use other ports,ie, Harwich, Hull.Portsmouth etc etc, I know , I’ve done it..!

[barney]

For every five miles on this side of the Channel, there would be ten miles on the other.
This is because the EU big boys export a hell of a lot more goods to the UK everyday that we export to them.
An inconvenient truth but a fact.

I love Brexiter facts.
So the French only use their trucks the once, then abandon them in England, eh Barney?

They mostly run back empty Jack, after they have delivered here.
Another Brexiteer Fact old chap

Anyway, it looks like you will get your ultimate wish of overthrowing a legitimate democratic vote, for another legitimate democratic vote.
I cannot see any other way out unless a change of leadership at government level, so I expect that you will be happy with that.
Remain voters once again seem convinced that they would win.
How will you reconcile the argument if Leave narrowly win again, which looks a strong possibility?
What will Parliament then do?
Have a third?

The latest Poll of Polls calls it 53% to 47% in favour of remain.
That is exactly what the polls called the day before the vote in 2016.

Maybe it should become an annual event, a bit like the Grand National & the Boat Race.

[Jack Staff]

For every five miles on this side of the Channel, there would be ten miles on the other.
This is because the EU big boys export a hell of a lot more goods to the UK everyday that we export to them.
An inconvenient truth but a fact.

I love Brexiter facts.
So the French only use their trucks the once, then abandon them in England, eh Barney?

They mostly run back empty Jack, after they have delivered here.
Another Brexiteer Fact old chap

Ah, so nobody is going to have a look to see if they are actually empty and then being so light they can float on their own with no need of a ferry? Got it.

[barney]

Jack, please don't embarrass yourself with something you know absolutely nothing about.
Stick to Project Fear.
It suits your argument better.

BTW, did you watch Boris on the Marr show today?
Told it how it should be.
Be fully prepared to leave with no transition.
Marr nearly lost it.
There is clearly not much love lost there.

[Jack Staff]

BTW, did you watch Boris on the Marr show today?

Yes I did. Looking very Prime Ministerial with his new haircut, all show and no trousers, very much Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

[towny44]

I love Brexiter facts.
So the French only use their trucks the once, then abandon them in England, eh Barney?

They mostly run back empty Jack, after they have delivered here.
Another Brexiteer Fact old chap

Ah, so nobody is going to have a look to see if they are actually empty and then being so light they can float on their own with no need of a ferry? Got it.

Jack I imagine that if there were to be a no deal road block at Dover then businesses would seek other ways to transport their goods, which is why I suggested container ports. I recognise that for perishable goods logistics will always favour RoRo ferry ports, but there are still lots of JIT deliveries of non perishable goods that could revert to the old system of warehouse storage, which is probably still cheaper and definitely a more environmentally friendly way to transport goods, especially if rail freight is used for part of the journey. So stockpiling EU empty HGVs on the M20 would be more of a problem for them than us.

[barney]

The point really is John, there would not be any 'road blocks' as you put it.
It's all smoke and mirrors and a political haze, formulated by the die hard anti democrats who are determined to stop Brexit at any price.

[towny44]

The point really is John, there would not be any 'road blocks' as you put it.
It's all smoke and mirrors and a political haze, formulated by the die hard anti democrats who are determined to stop Brexit at any price.

I hear what you say Barney, but it all depends on whether any extra document checks would be introduced, which is what would cause delays. I assume the EU will want to turn the screws on us at Calais and we might need to do the same at Dover. But unless and until we reach a no deal exit then its all supposition, my suggestion is a way of easing the problem if it persists as document checks at container ports, for ROW goods, are already a routine operation.

[david63]

Why do we need any document checks? I have read several articles about "soft" borders when everything is done electronically and everything just passed through.

Oh yes I remember why we cannot go down that route - it would give the EU nothing to hold everyone to ransom!!

[Onelife]

Hi David...whichever way we choose to leave the EU we would have to conform to........

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... rexit-deal

Whilst the above documentation regulations could be put in place, having a transition period would make the whole process easier and undoubtedly less disruptive.


Keith

[Ray Scully]

Hmmmm I think the idiom out of the frying pan into the fire perfectly describes the whole situation.

[Ray Scully]

Jack, please don't embarrass yourself with something you know absolutely nothing about.
Stick to Project Fear.
It suits your argument better.

BTW, did you watch Boris on the Marr show today?
Told it how it should be.
Be fully prepared to leave with no transition.
Marr nearly lost it.
There is clearly not much love lost there.

Barney, it appears that Boris has had a new hairdo. Ready for his interview for the PM job ? God help us

[Onelife]

Jack, please don't embarrass yourself with something you know absolutely nothing about.
Stick to Project Fear.
It suits your argument better.

BTW, did you watch Boris on the Marr show today?
Told it how it should be.
Be fully prepared to leave with no transition.
Marr nearly lost it.
There is clearly not much love lost there.

Barney, it appears that Boris has had a new hairdo. Ready for his interview for the PM job ? God help us

l'll second that Ray