Brexit

[barney]

European Champions League quarter finals

Holland x 1
Spain x 1
Portugal x 1
Italy x 1

ENGLAND X 4

Not bad for some insignificant lump of rock on the periphery of the continent.

I agree with Keith.
Remainer MPs should absolutely hang their heads in shame for what they have done and the total disregard for democracy in our country.
Politics will never be the same again.

The BBC and SkyNews keep trouncing around the country interviewing 'ordinary' folk and the answer is pretty much the same everywhere they go.

Get on with the job you were given.

If, and it's a big if, the UK has not left by the European Parliament elections and we are mandated by law to field candidates, the Brexit Party will win by an absolute landslide and we will be an even bigger thorn in the EU's side.
By linking up with the other Eurosceptic parties, they may well be a very, very sizable minority and certainly big enough to cause major disruption.
That's what the EU wants, that's what the EU gets.

What could have been a win/win will certainly turn into a massive lose/lose due to EU intransigence.
One single sentence can change all of this.

[Jack Staff]

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It is the 'footballisation' of politics that has caused all the problems you state.

[Jack Staff]

Secondly … I do NOT accept that TM's deal is dead.

So we just keep voting until you get the result you want?

Hmmmmm, think I've heard that before somewhere.

[barney]

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It is the 'footballisation' of politics that has caused all the problems you state.

You are probably right Jack.

My team lost at home to Bristol Rovers on Tuesday night but I still haven't accepted the result.

What has caused the problems is the outright refusal of a large number of people to conceded that their side and their views lost the vote.
It's really as simple as that when you break it down.

Had the Remainers said, ok I accept that we lost and we shall leave the EU under the best possible conditions, united as a nation, the outcome would have been very different.
As you are fully aware, the exact opposite happened, and many were campaigning for their cause the day after the result was announced.
I'm quite sure that no one will dispute these facts.

Then, after the legitimate democratic decision has reached it's conclusion, that is leaving the EU, then next logical steps for the millions who didn't want to leave would be to campaign to re-join.
A political party could easily stand on a 'Join the EU' ticket, and if they won enough votes, form a government and re-join.

Waht do you think the turn out in 2022 election will be now?
20-25% I reckon
The vast majority have given up on democracy in this country.
We may well find spoof candidates winning next time.
A man in a gorilla suit wins Westminster?
That is the level of contempt that the general public has for our politicians now.

[barney]

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald- ... t-rethink/

God, I'd love it if one single member said no .

[Jack Staff]

What has caused the problems is .....

Coincidentally, I have just read this, (I did not write it and the author has been lost to the ether) but it seems to sum up my position somewhat.
“This will surprise many - I'm not really mad on being labelled a Remainer.

I am, rather, a stickler for honesty.

My obsessive resistance to Brexit all along has not been based on the merits of being a member of the EU. On balance, I thought and still think we should be members, but like any political position I have adopted in my life I am content to be outnumbered by fellow citizens. I have never resisted any other electoral event.

No, my resistance is to the lies. To the corruption. To the dark money flooding and distorting our national conversation. If the campaign to Leave had been honest - told us the money it would cost, the jobs it would sacrifice, the horror it would cause at the Irish border, the private lives it would uproot, the global clout it would reduce, the international collaborative projects of science and the arts it would disrupt - if it had done all this and we'd still voted to leave, you'd never have heard another squeak from me.

So please, don't call me a Remainer. I was one once - pre June 2016. Now I'm an honesty campaigner.”

[Jack Staff]

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald- ... t-rethink/

God, I'd love it if one single member said no .

Good chance of that happening.
Brexiters have been wooing the Poles and Italians to interfere in our politics.
Taking back control eh?

[Ray Scully]

Conspiracy theory

Leaving the EU was never meant to happen, it was just a Tory contrivance to scupper UKIP and increase the influence of the right wing in the party. Once the vote went in favour of leaving, a plan was put into effect to ensure that any negotiations would come up against brick wall with the European research group playing a major role in stonewalling any chance of getting an agreement through Parliament. Given enough time and no progress, Brexit would then just be forgotten.

[barney]

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald- ... t-rethink/

God, I'd love it if one single member said no .

Good chance of that happening.
Brexiters have been wooing the Poles and Italians to interfere in our politics.
Taking back control eh?

Absolutely taking back control Jack. Yet another thing we agree on

[Jack Staff]

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald- ... t-rethink/

God, I'd love it if one single member said no .

Good chance of that happening.
Brexiters have been wooing the Poles and Italians to interfere in our politics.
Taking back control eh?

Absolutely taking back control Jack. Yet another thing we agree on

At that point the only thing left to do would be to revoke Article 50, and take back control.
Be careful what you wish for!

[barney]

I'm now coming to the conclusion that revoking articles 50 may be on the cards. The war of attrition will end one way or another but I suspect that the politicos will ultimately win. The only thing left to the leavers will be to take to the streets in civil unrest.

[Jack Staff]

I'm now coming to the conclusion that revoking articles 50 may be on the cards. The war of attrition will end one way or another but I suspect that the politicos will ultimately win. The only thing left to the leavers will be to take to the streets in civil unrest.

... and after all their protestations of democracy too.

As always, the truth will out.

[barney]

Don't misquote me. I'm not advocating civil unrest, just that it's my opinion that it would naturally follow in certain areas. What I and millions more would prefer is that the government carries out it's manifesto.

[Jack Staff]

But we haven't got a government at the moment.

(and I never dreamed that you personally would put on a pineapple vest )

[Mervyn and Trish]

Once upon a time there was a group of sovereign states. Close neighbours. After a big war had devastated the continent and set neighbour against neighbour they decided to form a Union for the common good. It would ensure peace. The strong would support the weak. The rich would help the poor. And for a while all was good.

But in time the Union became more important than the people. The bureaucrats who ran it thought only of themselves and stopped listening to the people.

The poor became poorer. The rich became richer.

The people became fed up with the corruption. So it all came crashing down. The Union came to an end.

And the rich continued to become richer. And the poorer became yet poorer.

And the powerful were resentul that the countries had got sovereignty back. They began to invade their neighbours.

And the world became a more dangerous place than it was before the Union had come and gone.

That's a potted history of the European Soviet Union.

The EU has a lesson to learn there. It is already 90% of the way down the same route. If it continues to put itself before its people it will very soon complete the journey.

We have a chance to be in the lifeboats before the ship goes down and it's every man or woman for themselves.

[Jack Staff]

So we have gone from sunlit uplands to a chance of being in the lifeboat?

[Mervyn and Trish]

I was never a sunlit uplands or unicorn person Jack. I didn't believe the "lies" the leave campaign told. Nor the "lies" the remain campaign told. In fact I make a point of never believing anything politicians promise until after they've delivered it.

I made my decision on the balance of how I saw the future. And I remain happy with my choice.

And yes a lifeboat is preferable to clinging to the iceberg.

Or are you a person who never attends muster drill because someone promised you ships never sink?

[Manoverboard]

Conspiracy theory

Leaving the EU was never meant to happen, it was just a Tory contrivance to scupper UKIP and increase the influence of the right wing in the party. Once the vote went in favour of leaving, a plan was put into effect to ensure that any negotiations would come up against brick wall with the European research group playing a major role in stonewalling any chance of getting an agreement through Parliament. Given enough time and no progress, Brexit would then just be forgotten.

Or ….

The EU were faced with the UK leaving and had no choice but to accept the inevitable but they both tried to agree a mutually acceptable separation package. The plan was to make it look as difficult as possible to achieve so as to deter others from attempting the same route.

Secondly … I do NOT accept that TM's deal is dead.

So we just keep voting until you get the result you want?

Hmmmmm, think I've heard that before somewhere.

I think I heard it on here relating to having a people's vote or some such.

[Jack Staff]

Or are you a person who never attends muster drill because someone promised you ships never sink?

Always attend, and I make sure to hold the straps so that no one trips up on the stairs. But Princess have stopped the requirement to take your life jackets now.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I think I heard it on here relating to having a people's vote or some such.

Is that one of those votes that politicians hold but then try to ignore?

[david63]

What has caused the problems is the outright refusal of a large number of people to conceded that their side and their views lost the vote.

Or even worse a political party who decided that they would oppose the deal (whatever it was) before they even knew what that deal was.

In the "real world" an employee (MP in this case) does what his employer (the electorate) tells them to do or they find alternative employment - it really is that simple. How many have jumped off the £70+k gravy train? All MPs who oppose this should have the common decency to resign as an MP and see if somebody will employ them - probably on the after dinner speaking circuit on "Why I opposed Brexit against the will of the people"!

[Manoverboard]

I think I heard it on here relating to having a people's vote or some such.

Is that one of those votes that politicians hold but then try to ignore?

Surely not

[towny44]

I'm now coming to the conclusion that revoking articles 50 may be on the cards. The war of attrition will end one way or another but I suspect that the politicos will ultimately win. The only thing left to the leavers will be to take to the streets in civil unrest.

Can we please wait for the warmer weather to kick in before the riots kick off?

[Jack Staff]

Can we please wait for the warmer weather to kick in before the riots kick off?

We're marching next week. We're not namby pamby Brexiters!

[Mervyn and Trish]

Can we please wait for the warmer weather to kick in before the riots kick off?

We're marching next week. We're not namby pamby Brexiters!

You should try marching on Brussels Jack. Now they know we are serious try persuading them to offer us a decent deal to stay in.

I saw yesterday that the French are now spending millions to beef up security on the Channel Tunnel to stop anyone getting through.who shouldn't in the event of a no deal. Shame they didn't do that before.