Current Affairs

[oldbluefox]

I'm all in favour of the Australian/New Zealand models. No messing around with human rights there. Perhaps it's time we started considering the rights of the rest of us who have to suffer because some cannot do as they are told or refuse to.

[Onelife]

We are in a National Emergency situation and as such the Government shouldn’t be asking people to follow rules, they should be making them follow the rules.

The problem is we have a PM who is saying the right things in order to disguise his real intentions which is to allow the virus rip through the country imo.

[Onelife]

I'm all in favour of the Australian/New Zealand models. No messing around with human rights there. Perhaps it's time we started considering the rights of the rest of us who have to suffer because some cannot do as they are told or refuse to.

The thing is Foxy, the citizens of Australian and New Zealand still have respect for their country, our country has lost itself in a quagmire of respecting other country’s cultures over our own.

[Mervyn and Trish]

We are in a National Emergency situation and as such the Government shouldn’t be asking people to follow rules, they should be making them follow the rules.

The problem is we have a PM who is saying the right things in order to disguise his real intentions which is to allow the virus rip through the country imo.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. But I think you're wrong. The problem is simply whatever he does someone will whinge.

#BashBoris #Can'tWin

[david63]

I'm all in favour of the ... New Zealand models. No messing around with human rights there.

That is the impression that they portray to the rest of the world but the reality is somewhat different

[oldbluefox]

What is the true picture?

[Onelife]

What is the true picture?

Not sure if this is the true picture but it looks like a country willing to embrace change...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/957871 ... -the-world

[Ray B]

I do hope Australia do not cave in due to the media, as has been reported, being embarrassed over the Novak Djokovic situation.
The exemption given to him was just permission to play in the tournament. The government entry rules differ somewhat and should apply to everyone who tries to enter the country unvaccinated just because they don't want the jab.
Their Country, their rules.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Agree Ray.

[Kendhni]

The problem is we have a PM who is saying the right things in order to disguise his real intentions which is to allow the virus rip through the country imo.

That was his plan A at the beginning, but he caved in to pressure. Unfortunately Johnson is now under control of the back benchers who are against any tightening so all he really has left are his sound bites ... he was always good with a sound bite. He is a wounded PM on borrowed time, and will hopefully be kicked out as soon as conservatives find where they left their integrity.

[towny44]

The problem is we have a PM who is saying the right things in order to disguise his real intentions which is to allow the virus rip through the country imo.

That was his plan A at the beginning, but he caved in to pressure. Unfortunately Johnson is now under control of the back benchers who are against any tightening so all he really has left are his sound bites ... he was always good with a sound bite. He is a wounded PM on borrowed time, and will hopefully be kicked out as soon as conservatives find where they left their integrity.

However since you dont believe the conservatives have any integrity that will be never then?

[Manoverboard]

Nearly 3/4 of a million wanting Blair's knighthood rescinded

And that's just the ones who could be bothered to sign. Count me in.

Good man the figure has now topped 1,000,000

It is now being reported that Lady Blair claimed nearly £80,000 for furlough payments but unlike many others who have extreme wealth has yet to make any sort of repayment of these monies

Greed comes to mind ...

[CaroleF]

The difficulty is that this particular honour is not awarded by the Government but by the Queen. It is her appointment. There are certain honours that are solely up to the Queen. Another one is the Companion of Honour, this too is an award bestowed by the Queen. So the Government does not have the power to rescind the honour.

Carole

[Kendhni]

I am more surprised, given Cherie Blair's feelings about the monarchy, that she would allow him to accept it.

[oldbluefox]

I am more surprised, given Cherie Blair's feelings about the monarchy, that she would allow him to accept it.

Like many in that position, she is a hypocrite.

I don't know what the Queen was thinking about although I do wonder if much of the time she just rubber stamps what the advisors put forward to her.

[Quizzical Bob]

Nearly 3/4 of a million wanting Blair's knighthood rescinded

And that's just the ones who could be bothered to sign. Count me in.

Good man the figure has now topped 1,000,000

It is now being reported that Lady Blair claimed nearly £80,000 for furlough payments but unlike many others who have extreme wealth has yet to make any sort of repayment of these monies

Greed comes to mind ...

Furlough money does not go to the company but is paid over to the staff. The company retains none of it and is still faced with other costs of employment.

[Manoverboard]

Furlough money does not go to the company but is paid over to the staff. The company retains none of it and is still faced with other costs of employment.

Indeed so, in this instance rather than paying the staff herself she made them apply for furlough payments which she was perfectly entitled to do. In many cases the value of these payments has been paid back into the pot because the impact on profits for that Company was far less than was anticipated.

[Quizzical Bob]

Furlough money does not go to the company but is paid over to the staff. The company retains none of it and is still faced with other costs of employment.

Indeed so, in this instance rather than paying the staff herself she made them apply for furlough payments which she was perfectly entitled to do. In many cases the value of these payments has been paid back into the pot because the impact on profits for that Company was far less than was anticipated.

?
Employees can’t apply themselves for furlough money.

[Manoverboard]

Furlough money does not go to the company but is paid over to the staff. The company retains none of it and is still faced with other costs of employment.

Indeed so, in this instance rather than paying the staff herself she made them apply for furlough payments which she was perfectly entitled to do. In many cases the value of these payments has been paid back into the pot because the impact on profits for that Company was far less than was anticipated.

? Employees can’t apply themselves for furlough money.

Her staff were not paid by her but they received furlough payments, how this happened is of course a complete mystery

[Quizzical Bob]

Indeed so, in this instance rather than paying the staff herself she made them apply for furlough payments which she was perfectly entitled to do. In many cases the value of these payments has been paid back into the pot because the impact on profits for that Company was far less than was anticipated.

? Employees can’t apply themselves for furlough money.

Her staff were not paid by her but they received furlough payments, how this happened is of course a complete mystery

Legally and practically the staff have to be paid through a PAYE scheme. This will be one operated by a company. Individuals cannot neither apply for nor receive furlough payments.

[Gill W]

Whilst I agree with you can you imagine the uproar from parents? The local rag would be camped outside the school gates, TV cameras trained on the school entrance, Socialist Worker would be there with their banners and the activists proclaiming their human rights to education were being denied them would be screaming loudly.
What it needs is for the government to come out and make it mandatory that face masks be worn and make it clear that children without masks will be sent home. Those who cannot wear masks for whatever reason should wear a visor. We are far too soft in this country.
We went into town yesterday and Omicron is rife up here at the moment but I was staggered by the number of adults in shops not wearing masks and neither were their teenage offspring. It's hardly surprising that the virus is spreading.

I completely agree. I've been saying for ages that, as we are in a pandemic, we need firm action from the government. Up until this point, the general reaction to that on this board has been 'I know what to do, I don't need the government to tell me what to do'. Even when I've said that firm action is needed so that EVERYBODY complies, I have been sneered at.

Glad to hear you are finally coming round to me way of thinking.

Unfortunately, the firm action that is required is unlikely to happen - for reasons that have already been mentioned.

I think the majority in this country would like action that makes the anti maskers and and anti-vaxxers lives as difficult as possible (Macron style). Unfortunately, this won't be happening either, more's the pity.

[oldbluefox]

Glad to hear you are finally coming round to me way of thinking.

Thought I was on Stephen's Mornin All thread for a minute

[towny44]

Glad to hear you are finally coming round to me way of thinking.

Thought I was on Stephen's Mornin All thread for a minute

Now that we are, mainly, fully vaccinated, sooner or later we are going to have to learn to live with covid. We do still have a problem with hospitalizations which are putting pressure on our hospitals, but these are mainly non vaccinated patients so we need to find a way to coerce the doubters to get jabbed.
Then if covid follows the pattern of other pandemics, each new mutation should be weaker, even if they are more infectious, so the sooner we accept that, then the sooner we can get back to normal, and leave the fear factor behind.

[Kendhni]

150,000 deaths in the UK have been put down to COVID. A very sobering thought ... that is over 200 per day and about 1 in every 450 people.

[Mervyn and Trish]

It is indeed sobering. Of course the Covid deniers will still tell us it's no worse than a cold or flu and the figures are faked.